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Post subject: Re: Beware of Doc's Friends - Operator of the B-29 Doc Posted: 17 Oct 2023, 12:00 |
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Joined: 01/18/11 Posts: 7664 Post Likes: +3696 Location: Lakeland , Ga
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Most of us believe he told you what he believed to be true. He may not have guessed correctly. Good thing you did not come for sympathy cuz little or none is coming your way. You chose to not app ar at the appointed time, end of story,
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Post subject: Re: Beware of Doc's Friends - Operator of the B-29 Doc Posted: 17 Oct 2023, 12:08 |
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Username Protected wrote:
If you read what I wrote above, and your conclusion is that the behavior of the vendor was acceptable, please state your occupation and business so everyone can decide if they would like to do business with you.
I have read what you wrote above and I fly several vintage aircraft on tour, and I have decided that I would like not to do business with you.
_________________ Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal MCW Be Nice, Kind, I don't care, be something, just don't be a jerk ;-)
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Post subject: Re: Beware of Doc's Friends - Operator of the B-29 Doc Posted: 17 Oct 2023, 12:13 |
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Username Protected wrote: I'm simply alerting others of my experience. BS! You are here to call someone a liar and a crook, to make false accusations of fraud, and then throw in an unsubstantiated and baseless suggestion of maintenance issues. I don’t think a lot of people here need to be alerted to the fact that non-refundable tickets are often non-refundable.
_________________ Be kinder than I am. It’s a low bar. Flight suits = superior knowledge
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Post subject: Re: Beware of Doc's Friends - Operator of the B-29 Doc Posted: 17 Oct 2023, 12:36 |
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Joined: 11/16/14 Posts: 9565 Post Likes: +13396 Company: Forever a Student Pilot Location: Colfax Washington
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Username Protected wrote: I've made plenty of mistakes in my life. Thinking a person wouldn't intentionally lie to me while selling B-29 rides is one of them.
I'm not here for sympathy. I'm simply alerting others of my experience. Wes, I've been on this site for almost Nine years now and Consider myself a Newbie These threads very rarely end well.......think a FLAMING  I think your intentions are Good, but just not delivered very well But Stick around and Get to know these Folks because they're Really an incredible Group Have a Good Rest of your Day  Edited: I really do Wish that You and your Son had gotten that ride 
_________________ Welder/Pipefitter.......Forever a Student Pilot
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Post subject: Re: Beware of Doc's Friends - Operator of the B-29 Doc Posted: 17 Oct 2023, 12:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: I'm simply alerting others of my experience. BS! You are here to call someone a liar and a crook, to make false accusations of fraud, and then throw in an unsubstantiated and baseless suggestion of maintenance issues. I don’t think a lot of people here need to be alerted to the fact that non-refundable tickets are often non-refundable.
I was lied to and sold something based on those lies. The person later lied to the credit card company and told them I bought the tickets online rather than in person. If that doesn't make someone a liar, I don't know what does.
That same person agreed to terms, acting as me, without my knowledge or permission. That fits the definition of fraud.
Again, I have shared the facts of my experience with Doc's Friends, which is an aviation business, on an aviation forum. I'm not asking anyone here for sympathy, money, or anything else. I'm simply sharing my experience for others' potential benefit. If you feel compassion for Doc's Friends, by all means give them your support.
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Post subject: Re: Beware of Doc's Friends - Operator of the B-29 Doc Posted: 17 Oct 2023, 12:56 |
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Username Protected wrote: I've made plenty of mistakes in my life. Thinking a person wouldn't intentionally lie to me while selling B-29 rides is one of them.
I'm not here for sympathy. I'm simply alerting others of my experience. Wes, I've been on this site for almost Nine years now and Consider myself a Newbie These threads very rarely end well.......think a FLAMING  I think your intentions are Good, but just not delivered very well But Stick around and Get to know these Folks because they're Really an incredible Group Have a Good Rest of your Day  Edited: I really do Wish that You and your Son had gotten that ride 
Thank you Sidney! I've been reading this forum since I started my PPL in 2012. I'm well aware that many on this forum (probably all forums) seem to enjoy playing "devil's advocate" or disagreeing just for the sake of argument and I didn't expect this thread to be any different.
In this thread, I get the enjoyment of being part of the argument and hopefully compel someone to be less trusting, and perform more diligence, than me.
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Post subject: Re: Beware of Doc's Friends - Operator of the B-29 Doc Posted: 17 Oct 2023, 13:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: I was lied to and sold something based on those lies. The person later lied to the credit card company and told them I bought the tickets online rather than in person. If that doesn't make someone a liar, I don't know what does.
That same person agreed to terms, acting as me, without my knowledge or permission. That fits the definition of fraud.
Again, I have shared the facts of my experience with Doc's Friends, which is an aviation business, on an aviation forum. I'm not asking anyone here for sympathy, money, or anything else. I'm simply sharing my experience for others' potential benefit. If you feel compassion for Doc's Friends, by all means give them your support.
So you are going to double and triple down on making yourself look like a complete jerk rather than consider what role you might have played in causing your issue? Notice all the people that your rant is benefiting saying thank you and rallying to your side? Yeah, me neither. I wonder if maybe there is a reason for that?
_________________ Be kinder than I am. It’s a low bar. Flight suits = superior knowledge
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Post subject: Re: Beware of Doc's Friends - Operator of the B-29 Doc Posted: 17 Oct 2023, 13:11 |
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Username Protected wrote: Wes,
Respectfully, this thread is in poor taste.
There were/are better ways to have handled this matter.
Arnie Arnie, I would appreciate your advice on how to better handle this matter. I contacted the seller multiple times before the departure time. The seller did not return contact until minutes before departure time. I attempted to reschedule with the seller and they would not accomodate. I told the seller that I would like a refund if they could not reschedule to which he declined. I told the seller I would protest the charge with my credit card company since I bought the tickets based on false information that he had given me. I sent the seller an email stating the same thing before protesting the charge. I then protested the charge with my credit card company. The seller responded to the protest that I had bought the tickets online and agreed to a "no refund" policy and provided evidence of "my" online purchase. I re-protested that I did not buy the tickets online, rather I purchased them in person from the very person stating I purchased the tickets online. The seller then admitted that I did purchase the tickets in person, rather than online, but claimed he notified me of the "no refund" policy. I attempted to resolve the situation with the seller to no avail. I attempted to resolve the situation through my credit card's dispute resolution process. The problem with that process is it depends on both parties being truthful and the seller has not been truthful. If you have advice on other steps I should take to resolve this, I'm all ears. Posting my experience here is not an attempt at resolution, simply a pirep on this business.
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Post subject: Re: Beware of Doc's Friends - Operator of the B-29 Doc Posted: 17 Oct 2023, 13:59 |
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Rick,
That's awesome! I'm glad you and your son had a great time!
I won't hold my breath on the opporunity to reschedule, and I won't be handing my credit card to anyone associated with Doc's Friends again, but I'll keep checking FiFi's website for an opportunity.
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Post subject: Re: Beware of Doc's Friends - Operator of the B-29 Doc Posted: 17 Oct 2023, 14:40 |
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Joined: 11/16/14 Posts: 9565 Post Likes: +13396 Company: Forever a Student Pilot Location: Colfax Washington
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Username Protected wrote: Rick,
That's awesome! I'm glad you and your son had a great time!
I won't hold my breath on the opporunity to reschedule, and I won't be handing my credit card to anyone associated with Doc's Friends again, but I'll keep checking FiFi's website for an opportunity. Wes, The Key word You left out was "Never" 
_________________ Welder/Pipefitter.......Forever a Student Pilot
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Post subject: Re: Beware of Doc's Friends - Operator of the B-29 Doc Posted: 17 Oct 2023, 15:07 |
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Wes we all have bad days and take it out on others when its not warranted. My advise is that when you can unite the varied opinions of the members of Beechtalk against you, you should probably stop posting for a day, or week, and consider what you are doing.
In fact before this becomes legal matter, if I were you, I would ask the Jeffs to delete this thread and consider it a cheap lesson. We have all been there before with child stress, work stress, employee stress etc. and its best to take the lesson and move on. After all the money is going to a cause you presumably support. So please don't respond, just take the night, get some sleep, lower the stress level, and think about better courses of action to take. As I don't believe there is anything good down the path you are headed.
_________________ John Chancellor PPL ASEL, AGI, IGI In memory of the victims of the Dictatorship
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