BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 23 Jan 2024, 20:50

On another site a poster reported that the highest speed they saw by the Celera prototype was 217 knots (ground speed) at 17,000', a long way short of the claims.

I agree, it looks like another Moller.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Jun 2024, 08:20

Any news on these guys?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 May 2025, 20:45

Username Protected wrote:

Any news on these guys?

Surprised I’m the first (I’ve found) to post this. AvWeb is usually behind the curve to begin with:

https://www.avweb.com/https/www.avweb.c ... evolution/

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 May 2025, 00:53

Username Protected wrote:

https://www.avweb.com/https/www.avweb.com/multimedia/votw/best-of-the-web-laminar-flow-revolution/

They say the Celara 500 flight tests proved their concept, but so far as I know, they've never released the data to back that up. Until they do, it's a pig in a poke.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 May 2025, 09:36

I give this team a lot of credit. Why divulge everything, particularly if working on own dime? Time will tell but I’m on the optimistic side.. Who will buy is another question?
Best,
Tom

Username Protected · **Posted:** 20 May 2025, 11:53

They've got some activity on LinkedIn and seem to be actively recruiting and hiring engineers. A good friend has tried to dance with them but got ghosted, and then months later they asked if he was interested after leaving him hanging... I think it is private equity money funding it now and that has led to non-linear hiring and progress thus far.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Jun 2025, 00:40

Sort of reminescent of Jim Bede.

I once visited a Bede open house at the Newton, Ks airport and saw both the prop and jet Bd-5's fly.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 01 Jun 2025, 00:42

Username Protected wrote:

Laminar flow isn’t the controlling issue while flying at high sonic/supersonic speeds.

It’s the drag bulge at the wing fuselage intersection (solvable by area ruling). The airplane shown in the video is going to run into the same wall every other design in the last 50 years has.

Even the Concorde couldn’t overcome the issue, so they used brute force (I.e., 4 turbojet engines) to fly supersonic.

And with afterburners to get past the drag rise bump near Mach 1.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Jun 2025, 12:47

Not buying it at all. The transonic drag issue involves sound shock waves that disrupt airflow. Nothing in this presentation discusses that as best I can tell. Look at the junction between the wings and rather fat fuselage. Transonic drag issue. Whitcomb addressed this at NACA over 50 years ago.

Best of luck to them but I'm not holding my breath.

Chris C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Jun 2025, 14:06

https://www.nasa.gov/history/SP-4219/Chapter5.html

Always hard watching new players running into, and having to figure out, technology issues that others solved long ago...

- Reams -

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Jul 2025, 18:01

Username Protected wrote:

I give this team a lot of credit. Why divulge everything, particularly if working on own dime? Time will tell but I’m on the optimistic side.. Who will buy is another question?
Best,
Tom

Their video is impressive in that they got through the whole thing without saying anything at all. It reminds me of those power saver devices:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw6mf2sWk2k
(skip to 3:00)

The latest application of the formula:
1. Pick a fancy term that is legitimate, but not well understood by most people
2. Claim you are using it for a breakthrough, which you describe in vague terms
3. Collect money

Whatever happened to the last guy that used the area rule to design a new airplane? As I remember he crashed in a corn field, but had some new project that was equally groundbreaking.

I like the spin on their diesel version - er I mean the development version for the jet. They failed up!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Sep 2025, 14:27

Using AI to design aircraft, what could go wrong? Especially with AI's history of hallucinations.
https://avweb.com/aviation-news/otto-aerospace-ai-aircraft-design-model/

Username Protected · **Posted:** 28 Sep 2025, 22:31

I saw a full size mockup of this at an airshow today. It is a super-mid class with 9+2 seats. The rep told me they hold laminar flow to about where the door is and 90% or something like that on the wing. Mach .8 at FL510 on 120gph.

Anyway, it appears they are about to start manufacturing.
https://www.manufacturingdive.com/news/ ... 00/750956/

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Sep 2025, 06:39

So they're going to start production on an aircraft that hasn't flown yet? :scratch:

Or has it flown and they didn't tell anyone?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 29 Sep 2025, 08:53

I read that article as a bunch of plans for this, plans for that. . . .

I always love the “net zero” hand waving. I’m sure achieved by buying offsets from somebody else’s theoretical savings and using french fry grease to make the fuel.

But, it’s cool looking and I’m a willing owner if someone wants to buy me one.

Otto Celera 800