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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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I mean, I can't see it make much sense on paper financially, knowing what I hear from the guys who just forked over a fortune for new PT6's. But I'm happy people are doing it!

I'd say they're $2mill on the engines with props, the panel is $300K, the paint and refurbishment is what, another $300K? Add a little mechanical work for another $100K and we're talking $2.7mill on top of whatever you bought he plane for. Worth it?


Adam he says on the video comments it was 1/2 of a new one so…3.75 million or a bit more?

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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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What's the EVO new now? $8Million or so?

That used to be the hard sell, that you had to pay jet prices but arrive in a prop plane. The smart users realized they'd save that over time in fuel and overhaul etc, but I have to say that a brand new one is a tough sell these days with the prices as they are for parts. Thankfully we have the old ones.

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Jon, last engine numbers I heard were much higher than that. I'd budget for $900K/engine and that's without props. :eek:

The Avanti has the same PT6 (66) as the TBM, where there is a lot of Overhaul price information. I'd say the range is $600-$900k per engine from that, although P&W has some sort of program where I think you can lock in $650k... I haven't investigated that since my plane is on programs. The engine programs are currently priced at about $900k nominal dollars, though the PV is much higher than that as it takes a LONG TIME to fly 3,600 hours, esp at like 150hr/yr!


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The engine programs are currently priced at about $900k nominal dollars, though the PV is much higher than that as it takes a LONG TIME to fly 3,600 hours, esp at like 150hr/yr!

Don't worry, the overhaul price and the program price will escalate together which makes the PV be $900K today.

Nearly a million bucks to overhaul a PT6. Wow.

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That is stunning. You can overhaul a Rolls Royce Tay for a million dollars (at least you could 2 years ago at Dallas Airmotive)...and that's a 14,000 lb thrust turbofan.

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There were also some shenanigans where you can save a little by overhauling a 2nd run engine, but the lead times are so long (6-9 months they said), that the owner I spoke to opted for a midtime recently hotted and an overhauled one. That was $1.3 mill, I think.

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Mark Wyant's new P&I is significantly nicer, though. He even managed to get rid of the "cheese grater" ceiling vent thingys which is sort of the bane of Avanti I interiors. :cheers:



Thanks Jon… getting closer but man it’s slow.l :bang:

One of the cool things I’m trying and hoping works out is the use of LED indirect lighting in the overhead and the lower sidewalls that I can control from cockpit. (Pink in the morning turning to blue during the day and dark blue at evening….or any color combination). We shall see….
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Something doesn't add up. Mid last year, prices for 2x -67A's and 2X MT props for a XP67 conversion on a King Air 350 was $2.275m. Back out ~150k for the props. That's just over $1m for each brand new engine

Finnoff -67P brochure lists the price at 950k for a new engine with a PWC rebate.

67s are pretty similar to the 66s. Why would anyone let an overhaul get that carried away?


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Why would anyone even DO an overhaul at 3600 first run hours? I am talking Part 91 of course.

When the unit has shown it will run 90,000 hours on an offshore oil rig without incident it just seems silly to overhaul one at 3600 hrs (excepting the hots and fuel controllers of course ).

Especially at these prices :bugeye: !!!


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Why would anyone even DO an overhaul at 3600 first run hours? I am talking Part 91 of course.

When the unit has shown it will run 90,000 hours on an offshore oil rig without incident it just seems silly to overhaul one at 3600 hrs (excepting the hots and fuel controllers of course ).

Especially at these prices :bugeye: !!!

I asked this question at a TBM shop last week. Part of their answer (as I understood it) was that there was a possibility for corrosion at the back of the case that would not be seen during a hot-section. I believe the mentioned prices in the $600-$700k range with a six month lead time.


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Why would anyone even DO an overhaul at 3600 first run hours? I am talking Part 91 of course.

When the unit has shown it will run 90,000 hours on an offshore oil rig without incident it just seems silly to overhaul one at 3600 hrs (excepting the hots and fuel controllers of course ).

Especially at these prices :bugeye: !!!

I asked this question at a TBM shop last week. Part of their answer (as I understood it) was that there was a possibility for corrosion at the back of the case that would not be seen during a hot-section. I believe the mentioned prices in the $600-$700k range with a six month lead time.


The TBM ecosystem is an interesting one...I feel like it is a competition to see how much you can spend. I asked a few of their shops if they could just pull the hot section on wing at 3600 and let me ship it out for inspection on my own...you would think I farted in church. The humming and haw'ing was hilarious.

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After scanning the Avanti II of a BT member, and a year plus of development work, it's getting released to the world on Feb 6!


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Just saw on LinkedIn that IJSC is now offering Garmin TXi Engine Indication System for TPE331-10 engines and Piaggio Avanti PT6A.

I’ve met joe some years ago and I know he works well, but I don’t have any connection with IJSC. I just think it’s a good news!


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Just saw on LinkedIn that IJSC is now offering Garmin TXi Engine Indication System for TPE331-10 engines and Piaggio Avanti PT6A.

I’ve met joe some years ago and I know he works well, but I don’t have any connection with IJSC. I just think it’s a good news!


Joe is a very knowledgeable and great guy.


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