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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die  Posted: 05 Oct 2021, 08:51 |
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Username Protected wrote: It’s cool looking, and a really fun concept. For something like this I’d like a little more shoulder room; more Twin Bo and less 310, but that’s me.
From the notes it sounds like it’s the MCO FSDO that’s standing on the hose. Yeah, I should have been more specific in my quoting. I was talking about the Privateer.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 05 Oct 2021, 09:50 |
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Username Protected wrote: It’s cool looking, and a really fun concept. For something like this I’d like a little more shoulder room; more Twin Bo and less 310, but that’s me.
From the notes it sounds like it’s the MCO FSDO that’s standing on the hose. Privateer 49” tbone 52” bonanza 42”
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 05 Oct 2021, 12:16 |
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Username Protected wrote: It’s cool looking, and a really fun concept. For something like this I’d like a little more shoulder room; more Twin Bo and less 310, but that’s me.
From the notes it sounds like it’s the MCO FSDO that’s standing on the hose. Privateer 49” tbone 52” bonanza 42”
Yep. 310 is 48.5". It's nice for a "normal" fuselage, but once you hang a turbine on it and make an island hopper out of it I'm thinking cabin class.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 05 Dec 2021, 12:09 |
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I miss the constant Raptor updates, it was like watching a train wreck, I couldn’t turn away.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 05 Dec 2021, 12:25 |
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Username Protected wrote: I miss the constant Raptor updates, it was like watching a train wreck, I couldn’t turn away. Plane wreck, but that was just the finale. Best case scenario, no one hurt, project stopped, entertainment value achieved. As much as I want to see someone fund the NG for entertainment value I think even Peters spin skills have hit a wall. I think he said the original was just a test project to save face. Even the most unknowledgeable investor has to see that’s bogus.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 05 Dec 2021, 13:14 |
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No activity anywhere http://www.aero-news.net/subscribe.cfm? ... bedec3ccb7Quote: ... but after spending years on a project that did not meet any of its primary goals, ignoring advice/critique from dozens of legitimate experts in the field, issuing more excuses for various problems than we can count, and all manner of other concerns, we have no confidence in the potential existence (or success) of a Raptor-NG and urge ALL to exercise extreme caution in entertaining thoughts of involvement in this program. The deplorable history of it all is simply too damning to ignore.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 13 Sep 2024, 13:49 |
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Call me a masochist, but this came to mind today. There's nothing new on the Raptor YouTube channel, and raptor-aircraft.com has literally nothing on it.
What happened to the deposits he promised to return? What happened to the original raptor so-called airframe?
Of course, the honest answer is "who cares?" BUT. . . .
There's a deeper question to be answered: Is Peter --
a) A dreamer
b) A grifter
c) Mentally ill
d) Other
My answer is (c), though I'll add (d) Lucky to be alive. Assuming, of course, that he is.
Anyway, just reminiscing about some of BT's greatest hits. . . . .
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 13 Sep 2024, 14:19 |
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Username Protected wrote: I think Peter is... Yeah, there was some unheeded "that won't work but here is what will" advice along the way- along with a lot of unhelpful stuff, sure. Some of the discussion reminded me of Pater Garrison's (longtime writer for Flying magazine) impartial performance analysis of the Otto Celera- factual kind of approach of 'this is what we know the state of the art can do and these are the numbers that this design will have to achieve to deliver its anticipated performance,' and proceed to show his work how he came up with various coefficients. The big difference is the Celera, though ambitious and exotic, is much more realistic.
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Post subject: Re: Raptor Aircraft 5 Seat Pressurized 3,600 NM Range Die Posted: 13 Sep 2024, 14:26 |
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Username Protected wrote: Yeah, I'm saying not a grifter since that implies intent. I think he honestly believed his own nonsense and stubbornly held to it. Is that mental illness? Maybe a mild form, but there are a lot of people who fall under that description. Dreamer? Without a doubt. Something else, almost certainly.
I too wonder what's become of him. I think like many, the intent started out fine, but evolved. I have no doubt Peter started with the intention of delivering kits at the price he said and with the performance he predicted and took deposits on good faith. I also have no doubt that by time he was doing the taxi test and certainly after the first few flights, he knew there was no chance he could deliver, yet he continued to hold deposits and quite frankly lie about the situation. He didn't start out to be a grifter, but he allowed himself to become one.
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