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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.  Posted: 11 Sep 2024, 16:45 |
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Username Protected wrote: The capacity is 3200 OK, but the fuel tank(s) capacity is in Liters or Gallons. Not in pounds or Kg. The actual weight of the fuel in the tank(s) varies according to its SG (e.g., with OAT, atm pressure, ...).
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 11 Sep 2024, 17:27 |
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Sure, the declared volume is 1816 liters. Temp at refueling around 20C. Plane uses capacitance sensors, not volume.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 11 Sep 2024, 17:44 |
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Username Protected wrote: Sure, the declared volume is 1816 liters. Temp at refueling around 20C. Good, that's 480 US Gallons. At 6.70 Lb = 3215 Lb At 6.80 Lb = 3263 Lb At 6.85 Lb = 3290 Lb New(er) Jet-fuel trucks have the capacity to measure the SG every time before up-lift. And it is written on each fuel slip.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 12 Sep 2024, 02:36 |
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Username Protected wrote: Tomasz, did u get Starlink working in the Avanti?? I did, but it's not easy. Even made a couple of video calls from F410. First, it's difficult to make it find the network. I had several flights where it would not get a single ping back. Last flight was EPPO to LPFR, southwest, and I had it pointed to the right (north), through the gap between RHS windshield heating areas. Once it connects to the network, there is only a couple of minutes before it complains about flying too fast. Then you can reset it, and have a couple minutes more. Forum reports say the GS limit is 250kt, but I was not able to verify it. A solution would be to have the $2K aviation subscription attached to the Starlink mini.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 12 Sep 2024, 02:41 |
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Username Protected wrote: Sure, the declared volume is 1816 liters. Temp at refueling around 20C. Good, that's 480 US Gallons. At 6.70 Lb = 3215 Lb At 6.80 Lb = 3263 Lb At 6.85 Lb = 3290 Lb New(er) Jet-fuel trucks have the capacity to measure the SG every time before up-lift. And it is written on each fuel slip.
After the previous flight, the fuel gauge reading was 1360 lb and the fuel bill says I took 1043 liters, which would be 1037 liters at 15C.
Usable fuel is 476 gallons, 1802 liters.
As JonC advised, I will keep detailed records over a few flights.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 12 Sep 2024, 15:49 |
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Username Protected wrote: Sure, the declared volume is 1816 liters. Temp at refueling around 20C. Good, that's 480 US Gallons. At 6.70 Lb = 3215 Lb At 6.80 Lb = 3263 Lb At 6.85 Lb = 3290 Lb New(er) Jet-fuel trucks have the capacity to measure the SG every time before up-lift. And it is written on each fuel slip.
There is some variation in dielectric constant versus density, which is used to measure weight of fuel. That is why some larger airliners use densitometers to measure density directly and correct the raw data.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 12 Sep 2024, 21:36 |
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No totalizer is perfectly accurate. Totalizers measure fuel volume not weight so with variable fuel temperature they cannot always be perfect. There is typically a software calibration called K factor. There might be a setting in your computer possibly in a maintenance screen. Adjust the setting in small increments across multiple flights until you see actual burn equal to displayed. The error you show is too great.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 12 Sep 2024, 23:59 |
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Hello everybody! Here is a question about TR require I have been working on P180 since 2017, Europe, Middle East. FAA СPL I was invited to work in Kazakhstan, my European colleagues at EASA CPL have P180 type rating, but local CAA has a question why I do not have a type rating prescribed in the license, and I do not know how to answer referring to a specific FAR. Answer such as "....hmmm...because  " not working at all. Before Avanti, I worked at Beechcraft Premier 1 and at Avanti I took a five-day course at Simsair on an airplane instead of a simulator. I received only a certificate from them. Also, instead of a simulator, flight review took place every year. Please help me figure this out
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 13 Sep 2024, 03:08 |
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That would be 14 CFR §1.1 for the definition of a large aircraft, and CFR §61.31(a) for when is a type rating required.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 13 Sep 2024, 03:23 |
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 16 Sep 2024, 19:00 |
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What are you all seeing or feeling a dry lease rate should be in todays market on a Avanti ii?
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 18 Sep 2024, 15:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: What are you all seeing or feeling a dry lease rate should be in todays market on a Avanti ii? I haven't seen a dry lease for one, but using industry benchmarking, you could start from something like (Hourly dry operating cost) + .05% of hull value per hour. So, for a Piaggio worth $2.5 million, that would probably be something like $700 + .05% * $2.5m = ~$1,950/hr dry. Roughly. Where most of the $700 is engine programs / engine depreciation. Piaggios are hard to find for lease, so perhaps one could argue a premium as a result. Not really sure.
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 19 Sep 2024, 17:17 |
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Username Protected wrote: Well, the refurbishment of my Piaggio is getting closer finally. Exterior paint is nearly finished. Next is the Garmin glass panel install along with the interior. Attachment: IMG_3066.jpeg Mark; #1046 is looking Great! I remember DON SIMS had mentioned he had referred you to DAS a while ago. I will probably bring #1045 (N5854R) to AEROSMITH for any avionics issues, as we also have the GARMIN "FRANKENSTEIN" CONVERSION. We will probably have to do our Tail overhaul in the next couple of years. Glad to hear DAS is working out for you as well. Best of Luck on Your Refurb of #1046. Can't wait to see it all back together and hear your overall experience was. Pete
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Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread. Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 16:44 |
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Username Protected wrote: Well, the refurbishment of my Piaggio is getting closer finally. Exterior paint is nearly finished. Next is the Garmin glass panel install along with the interior. Attachment: IMG_3066.jpeg Mark; #1046 is looking Great! I remember DON SIMS had mentioned he had referred you to DAS a while ago. I will probably bring #1045 (N5854R) to AEROSMITH for any avionics issues, as we also have the GARMIN "FRANKENSTEIN" CONVERSION. We will probably have to do our Tail overhaul in the next couple of years. Glad to hear DAS is working out for you as well. Best of Luck on Your Refurb of #1046. Can't wait to see it all back together and hear your overall experience was. Pete
Thanks Pete. You will find David at Aerosmith Avionics great to work with. James is my main installer and he is working closely with me as we are moving a few things around to accommodate the smallest pedestal possible.
Here she is fresh out of paint. And yes I have windshields on order now for 6 months.... only 4 more to go!
Adam - This is for the "hat box" attachment bracket found in the upper portion of the HS as well as the lower U shaped attach points doublers. Mine were found to be cracked when they opened it up so glad I did it!
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