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 Post subject: Re: Anybody else get sick of liars and POS when selling?
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This thread ought to be eye-opening for any potential buyers of the subject 421 in terms of what they'd get to look forward to in dealing with the seller...

You mean dealing with a reasonable person that owns a valuable, attractive asset and doesn't want pie-in-the-sky buyers? :shrug:

Edit: I've transitioned 95% of my quipment sales from retail to wholesale/export and it was the BEST thing I've ever done.


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This thread ought to be eye-opening for any potential buyers of the subject 421 in terms of what they'd get to look forward to in dealing with the seller...


It sounds like the experience I had when I was shopping the earlier C90's....owner operated C90's with midlife or greater engines, are just abysmal to work with- it usually boils down to arguments over what is airworthy and what is deferrable and unreasonable to spend on


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I was fortunate enough to buy my P2 Baron from one of the most honest guys I have ever met. We spent a long time debating the price then shook hands and off I went to pre-buy.

He was completely honest about everything except the three still continuing squawks I have, which are:

1. Every time I fly the plane I get bugs on the windshield.

2. Every time I fly the plane the fuel level goes down.

3. Every few months, the oil gets dirty and has to be changed.

My otherwise truly great mechanics have declined to work on these problems.

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I was fortunate enough to buy my P2 Baron from one of the most honest guys I have ever met. We spent a long time debating the price then shook hands and off I went to pre-buy.

He was completely honest about everything except the three still continuing squawks I have, which are:

1. Every time I fly the plane I get bugs on the windshield.

2. Every time I fly the plane the fuel level goes down.

3. Every few months, the oil gets dirty and has to be changed.

My otherwise truly great mechanics have declined to work on these problems.


Praying that all on BT have so many troubles like Howard... :bud: :cheers: :cross:

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We were doing a prebuy on a C-140. It was an A&P school project. New fabric, fresh annual signed by one of the instructors.I took my wife to pick it up and she had to prove to a school instructor she could handle the aircraft before ferrying it to us.She was flying jumpers in a DC3 at the time.
First thing we found was the aileron cable routed incorrectly, which ought to have been noticed by anyone with the cable not clearing the hole they were routed thru.
Second item was the starboard elevator was for an earlier model and the bracket AD not compiled with. The serial number for the aircraft was AD NA. Nothing in the logbook about the change. Checking the four Empenage bolts, one was loose because it was cross threaded and the nut plate was broken off.
The buyer was no longer interested and the owner was unhappy about the UNAIRWORTHY aircraft stuck 100 miles away.

So lucky and just tickled pink to have both parties pissed at ME.


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I was fortunate enough to buy my P2 Baron from one of the most honest guys I have ever met. We spent a long time debating the price then shook hands and off I went to pre-buy.

He was completely honest about everything except the three still continuing squawks I have, which are:

1. Every time I fly the plane I get bugs on the windshield.

2. Every time I fly the plane the fuel level goes down.

3. Every few months, the oil gets dirty and has to be changed.

My otherwise truly great mechanics have declined to work on these problems.


Hi Howard-

I can help with your squawk 1. Leave Santa Monica and move to the upper midwest, and you will be able to avoid that issue about 6 months out of the year.

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So lucky and just tickled pink to have both parties pissed at ME.

Not sure I'd agree that it was airworthy given the mentioned squawks. I certainly wouldn't have flown it anywhere afterward. If the owner was nice about it I'd offer to pay for his gas to come and get it.

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So lucky and just tickled pink to have both parties pissed at ME.

Not sure I'd agree that it was airworthy given the mentioned squawks. I certainly wouldn't have flown it anywhere afterward. If the owner was nice about it I'd offer to pay for his gas to come and get it.

Thanks I fixed it. Definitely not airworthy. The owner got the two A&P/IA instructors to fix it and bring it back. I knew about the AD from our C-140 and the fix is obvious IF you know what it is.

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I was fortunate enough to buy my P2 Baron from one of the most honest guys I have ever met. We spent a long time debating the price then shook hands and off I went to pre-buy.

He was completely honest about everything except the three still continuing squawks I have, which are:

1. Every time I fly the plane I get bugs on the windshield.

2. Every time I fly the plane the fuel level goes down.

3. Every few months, the oil gets dirty and has to be changed.

My otherwise truly great mechanics have declined to work on these problems.


Looking forward to a new thread calling this seller a POS maggot, then when people disagree, the expression of surprise at the reaction "you weren't looking for", and craven request to the zookeepers to remove the evidence.


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I was fortunate enough to buy my P2 Baron from one of the most honest guys I have ever met. We spent a long time debating the price then shook hands and off I went to pre-buy.

He was completely honest about everything except the three still continuing squawks I have, which are:

1. Every time I fly the plane I get bugs on the windshield.

2. Every time I fly the plane the fuel level goes down.

3. Every few months, the oil gets dirty and has to be changed.

My otherwise truly great mechanics have declined to work on these problems.


Praying that all on BT have so many troubles like Howard... :bud: :cheers: :cross:

I bought my airplane from Chuck and have the exact same squawks, PLUS 4. When I land on grass after a rain, it accumulates mud on the bottoms of the wings.

I've learned my lesson; that guy can't be trusted! :D
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When a seller pays “too much” for what they believe is a “perfect plane” and then try to resell it for more than the market value, they are always disappointed and bitter.

Old 421C’s have lots of secrets and require a VERY THROUGH pre buy from a reputable shop and not an inspection in the owners hangar by the owners mechanic.


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Wow and a few of you maggots are on here. Let's hear your best story about scum bag buyer liars?

[youtube]https://youtu.be/c1EyN9xTK94[/youtube]

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Old 421C’s have lots of secrets and require a VERY THROUGH pre buy from a reputable shop and not an inspection in the owners hangar by the owners mechanic.


Bingo!

I usually tell people for a basic single/light twin, bring your A&P to our hangar and I'll provide a full shop. For a complex twin, it needs to go to the A&P's facility because a real prebuy it isn't going to done in a day.


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If someone (Savvy, perhaps?) offered sellers a "unbiased prebuy" where the seller pays, the results are posted on Savvy's website, and then you tell all the buyers to look there and ask questions to Savvy... Then all your buyers can benefit from 1 pre-buy and if they like what they see they can arrive with a check rather than arriving with a mechanic.


Also remember two things..

1. Savvy never turns a wrench, goes into the field to actually inspect an airplane, or has any liability. You are still dealing with a "random" shop. He has no real ability to control the quality of the shop.

2. For every pilot that loves Savvy, there is an equal number of A&P's or IA's that can't stand him. There was a pretty good thread going on Facebook last week that brought out some "interesting" opinions from guys that have dealt with him.


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