BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Jul 2017, 22:54

Did the cockpit look like this? This was the picture I took at NBAA. I think its beautiful.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Jul 2017, 23:02

Username Protected wrote:

Pilatus flies the PC12 from Switzerland to Colorado green. Paints them in the USA.

PS PC12s come over from Switzerland already painted. They do not fly to CO first.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 14 Jul 2017, 23:26

Sorry, to clarify-all of the Plane$ense ones do.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Jul 2017, 03:46

am sure that the cockpit layout and systems will be appreciated by PC 24 pilots, once familiar..

like on the PC 12 NG. Pilatus and Honeywell seem to have taken quite a few hints for the APEX system from Dassault Falcon's (Honeywell EPIC based) EASy II cockpit layout and logics.

And Dassault Falcon's EASy 1 & EASy 2 cockpit philosophy has been a trailblazer in the industry, a "first" that has found it's way into the latest generation of airliners if one looks at the B787, A350 & A380s..( in the form of being copied quite a bit..)

In Pilatus' case now their very good track record and APEX features they have built into the PC12NG and in the meantime ( Pilatus drivers, please correct me should I be wrong) honed to perfection will help a lot to avoid many teething troubles that usually sometimes show up on new aircraft designs on the avionics front..

am sure that with all the interesting features and performance Pilatus has designed into the PC 24, that aircraft may well turn out to become a winner in the "light to light/medium" bizjet market..

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Jul 2017, 05:33

Absolutely Gerd, you make a very good point about the legacy of the work Dassault did with "Easy II".
Don't forget Embraer and the Legacy450/550, one can easily see where they got the inspiration!

On that note, what sort of FMS is this running?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Jul 2017, 09:45

Username Protected wrote:

On that note, what sort of FMS is this running?

Fabien, that "FMS" ist just part of the system…call it a "card" or "module"..basically Honeywell ( or let's better say, as you also remarked Dassault EASy II) logic, and nice "heads-up" views on the MFD..

you program that FMS mostly with the trackpad (or trackball, whatever..)…but have your head up high on the instrument panel to see which waypoints and whatever else you select…a lot less "heads down" movements…which helps…also helps avoid "vertigo" in some rough weather..

I ilke the way they designed it…no separate FMS CDU anymore on the center pedestal…it's all up in front of you on the instrument panel…while your right or left hand, wherever you sit in the cockpit rests on the track pad on the center pedestal..cool motorics, ergonomics and logic...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Jul 2017, 09:56

a bit like this…

am sure that this is very similiar to how it will work on the PC 24…

[youtube]https://youtu.be/cIFAAlTRZMA[/youtube]

and these are the folks, your compatriots, who invented it….

[youtube]https://youtu.be/FjQwdIJsR6M[/youtube]

[youtube]https://youtu.be/3y8_1Wqagoc[/youtube]

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Jul 2017, 12:27

Username Protected wrote:

Sorry, to clarify-all of the Plane$ense ones do.

Well that ain't what you said.

I've seen them come into Rocky Mountain Metro Green.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Jul 2017, 14:35

Username Protected wrote:

Sorry, to clarify-all of the Plane$ense ones do.

Well that ain't what you said.

I've seen them come into Rocky Mountain Metro Green.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Jul 2017, 17:06

Username Protected wrote:

Did the cockpit look like this? This was the picture I took at NBAA. I think its beautiful.

Not exactly. Don't get me wrong, it looks durable and I do like it, it's just more of an airline cocklpit. Who knows, maybe the plane will be different.

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Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Jul 2017, 17:28

Username Protected wrote:

am sure that with all the interesting features and performance Pilatus has designed into the PC 24, that aircraft may well turn out to become a winner in the "light to light/medium" bizjet market..

I wouldn't place my bet against the 24. We will see if Pilatus can keep the used aircraft values of the 24 high with a crowded light/medium bizjet market as they have done with the 12. From an ownership standpoint, there are few aircraft that hold their values as well as a PC-12, both newer and older aircraft.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 15 Jul 2017, 20:42

Username Protected wrote:

Did the cockpit look like this? This was the picture I took at NBAA. I think its beautiful.

Most PC24s will be flown by hired help. This could be pink with lime green accents and the people who make the purchase decisions wouldn't care.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Jul 2017, 17:58

Username Protected wrote:

Got to crawl inside the Pc24 today. Test flight airplane, no interior pics allowed. Cabin is a huge and awesome. The cargo door was impressive, much beefier than pc12. The balloon tire nose gear gives it some backcountry panache.

Seems a cut above cj4 and phenom 300 in terms of build quality. Really looked and felt like a small gulfstream or falcon.

They are going to sell a lot of these.

That's a fantastic paint job.