You can always tell when someone is new to Commanders if the rudder is moving when they taxi...

Mine has.


What does an MU2 pilot have to do that a Commander one doesn't?

Engines are the same, so feather, beta follow up are the same.

Plane has to be trimmed.

Shutdown list will be similar with generator, bleed air, etc.

So, what am I doing that you are not?

Just curious.

Mike C.

The F-104J Starfighter.

Mike C.

Pilatus was based on the Millennium Falcon.

Granted, that is a difference. The Commander wing is so big that flaps aren't needed for takeoff. Or to put it another way, you can't make the wing less if you wanted to. This is typical of piston heritage aircraft.


The aileron versus spoilers thing is of no consequence in the operation of the plane. The little versus big wing thing does have consequence. There are pros and cons to both ways of doing it.


The MU2 takes off with flaps, the Commander doesn't. By the time I am fooling with flaps, I am well established in single engine flight, so not a big deal.

Mike C.

That explains why you have to beat the bulkhead to make the master relay work.

I sure hope your reliability is higher...

Mike C.

That's the point I don't want to be fooling with flaps during a emergency!

I guess it depends on what you considered "established" when you are in single engine flight.

If clean and climbing is what you consider established then you will have a much longer time waiting to be established than a Commander pilot.

My Commanders VXSE is 97kts! I am at VXSE by the time the gear leaves the runway.

MU-2 clean VXSE is 140kts!

That explains why you have to beat the bulkhead to make the master relay work.

I sure hope your reliability is higher...

Mike C.

Would you do your single engine landing with no flaps?


How about just climbing? No hurry to do anything with flaps, it will climb just fine with 20 degrees of flaps, where the wing area is closer to Commander size.


I rotate at 105 and am at 125 (Vxse with takeoff flaps) within several seconds of takeoff. I think you are dramatically overstating the significance of those few seconds, and would argue many other safety factors are more important.

Nathan

The F-104J Starfighter.

Mike C.

Wing loading and control surfaces.

The Mits has the highest wing loading of any twin engine aircraft (I'm aware of) without jet engines...

The rudder on a TC is a thing of beauty... and it's really beautiful if you're down to one engine.

Yes



Then why does the engine out procedure call for a clean up?



It will take longer than a few seconds to accelerate with only one engine producing power and the gear either out or retracting.

That's why the MU-2 SFAR has a procedure that calls for an airbourne abort of the takeoff if you are below 50 ft!

Labeled " takeoff engine failure - unable to climb"

Then you are artificially lengthening your takeoff run, you could be airborne sooner.


Nobody takes off clean, so this number is meaningless.

My takeoff configuration Vxse is 125 KIAS.

The Commander definitely wins on OEI performance after takeoff. You basically have such a large wing that you have effectively some flaps down all the time.

Mike C.

You will have to show me where the SFAR says that.

Hopefully, no one is using your posts as guidance on how to fly an MU2.

Mike C.

You will have to show me where the SFAR says that.

Hopefully, no one is using your posts as guidance on how to fly an MU2.

Mike C.