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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT  Posted: 20 Apr 2023, 13:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: I was wondering the same thing. But the announcer seemed to be saying that it was planned to flip before separation. Flip occurs AFTER separation. Looks like the separation did not occur, but the booster tried to reorient anyway to follow its planned trajectory. Obviously, it won't work with a few extra million pounds attached to it. The lack of separation may be due to the lack of achieving sufficient speed and altitude, or just a mistake of some kind. "Chamber pressures nominal" means nothing now when I hear that callout given engines were gone at liftoff. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT Posted: 20 Apr 2023, 13:58 |
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Username Protected wrote: Flip occurs AFTER separation. On Falcon 9, not on Starship.
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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT Posted: 20 Apr 2023, 14:07 |
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Username Protected wrote: It was doomed from engine light. When the engines lit off it blew a large crater.
It hit the concrete and blew it up 325' in the air.
The concrete hit the bottom area around the engines and took out the hydraulics. The hydraulics that is used to pull the locking pins at the top so that the rocket can deploy from the booster. Woof! Where did that picture come from? That'll leave a mark on Mars 
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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT Posted: 20 Apr 2023, 14:12 |
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Username Protected wrote: Woof! Where did that picture come from? That'll leave a mark on Mars Superheavy won't be going to Mars. Starship will have about six engines vs 33 and won't need anywhere near the same percentage of thrust as it would on Earth.
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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT Posted: 20 Apr 2023, 14:44 |
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Username Protected wrote: On Falcon 9, not on Starship. It would be insane to thrust in one direction and then change direction for the second stage. The flip is supposed to be the first stage only, AFTER separation: Attachment: starship-profile-1.png I suspect the observed behavior is the first stage trying to flip and do boost back with the second stage still attached for some reason. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT Posted: 20 Apr 2023, 14:52 |
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It's really interesting to see the contrast in culture between the old school NASA launches and the SpaceX team. NASA MCC was huge on creative thinking outside the box, and yet they still had a "uniform" of sorts with roughly the same color and style shirts and ties. It looks like you'd be hard-pressed to find two people wearing the same thing in SpaceX launch control. I don't know if that matters, but I think they are deliberately pushing a culture of independent thought. Two approaches to the same goal. Also interesting on the habit of applause after a RUD (rapid unplanned disassembly) so the team is celebrating the knowledge gained even if the thing blew up. Obviously that changes once they have people at the pointy end.
Regardless, it was a heck of a show and I can't wait for the next one.
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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT Posted: 20 Apr 2023, 17:36 |
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Username Protected wrote: It was doomed from engine light. Just like the launch of STS-1 blew a bunch of tiles off due to the unexpected sound level. Nobody ever learns...
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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT Posted: 20 Apr 2023, 18:13 |
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Username Protected wrote: It was doomed from engine light. Just like the launch of STS-1 blew a bunch of tiles off due to the unexpected sound level. Nobody ever learns...
Ever put a cutting torch to concrete? You only do that once!
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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT Posted: 20 Apr 2023, 18:22 |
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Username Protected wrote:
Ever put a cutting torch to concrete? You only do that once!
Better tell me or I'll find out for myself!  I still use compressed air to spin up bearings when nobody is looking 
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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT Posted: 20 Apr 2023, 18:29 |
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Username Protected wrote: He did say something like Beginning a "flip for stage separation". That might have been all in the fog of war. they lost hydraulics most likely, couldn't gimbal, couldn't unlatch stages, etc They may be rethinking their redundancy in their hydraulic designs after this, if there's a commonality
IIRC; this is the only booster w/hydraulics. The next booster uses electric …
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Username Protected wrote: Launch caught from an airliner:
[youtube]https://youtu.be/AZutX1PP0BQ[/youtube] That airplane appears to be a lot closer to the rocket than I'd be comfortable with given the high probability that it could veer off course and/or explode violently at any point. I'm guessing the distance was around 5 miles, how big was the TFR?
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