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Post subject: Re: The B2 in B2 Bomber stands for $2B! Posted: Yesterday, 12:11 |
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Username Protected wrote: The Israelis should have been able to blow up the entrances. But I wonder about using more than 1 bunker buster bomb on the same site.
At some point, you're just re-arranging the rubble. Part of the tactical plan when using that weapon is to drop a second MOP through the same path created by the first in order to penetrate deeper.
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Post subject: Re: The B2 in B2 Bomber stands for $2B! Posted: Yesterday, 12:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: When I watch this brief my BS meter flys off the scale. What was the cost of this operation that set Iran back “months” ? Months? BFD! Are we going to do this quarterly from now on? I question how much of a threat this country actually was that was able to launch ZERO counter measures. It has all the markings of a huge dog and pony show.
Greg
A lot was said how Iran warned of their missile attack on Qatar ahead of time, and that the strike was merely symbolic to show their people they responded. You think our government is smart enough to do the same to us?
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Post subject: Re: The B2 in B2 Bomber stands for $2B! Posted: Yesterday, 12:55 |
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Username Protected wrote: I agree that action was needed. But I don't think enriched uranium can ever be truly destroyed unless it undergoes fission. Let's assume the bunker busters blew up all the enriched stores underground at Fordo. It just becomes a simple mining excercise to recover the debris and process it, at a lot less effort than it was to produce it in the first place.
At best we have set them back 5 or so years. Perhaps. And that's a pretty good deal for a days work. If we set them back for just a couple of myears, hell of an ROI. Again, this seems like a lament, wishing for a sturdier, longer lasting solution that has eluded everyone forever. Can't think of anything anyone could do that will result in a result like the unconditional surrender of Japan or the WWI Armistice. Not unlike cancer therapy in some situations. A cure may not be in sight, but treatment might add years of high quality of life with a minimum of suffering. And who knows what's coming down the pike. There are cancer reasearchers out there working on dazzling things, and who knows what is brewing in the Islamic world a year from now, or 10? Whatever good things might be taking shape in that world, they got a strong dose of encouragement yesterday. Pretty good day.
"Who knows what's coming down the pike"
In considering what's been happening with Iran for decades including the plight of Israel, to see "what's coming down the pike" try reading the Book of Revelations , and connect the dots, then maybe form an opinion as to what's coming down the pike.
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Post subject: Re: The B2 in B2 Bomber stands for $2B! Posted: Yesterday, 15:38 |
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Username Protected wrote: So you’re going with “false flag phony report released by the Pentagon” that mitigates the damage when the preznit is out there claiming total annihilation and that the report is fake news. The news media reports that the Pentagon said that the program was only set back by months, and his response is that all the news agencies are total scum. Sure that sounds logical. We could go with “instant battle damage assessment” of a facility 300 feet below the Earth! The lies we want to believe are the quickest to deceive.
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Post subject: Re: The B2 in B2 Bomber stands for $2B! Posted: Yesterday, 16:21 |
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Username Protected wrote: In addition, Jihasi is scouring the countryside from massage agents. This will only serve to anger the local population. In typical Iranian fashion, they will likely arrest 100 innocent people for everyone Massage agent they find. Most of the Massage agents have probably literally headed for the hills.
If you could get me the phone number of some of those massage agents before they head for the hills, I'd appreciate it.
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Post subject: Re: The B2 in B2 Bomber stands for $2B! Posted: Yesterday, 19:26 |
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I would really love to know if the ground penetrating radar we have in orbit can "read" through rock. Open source for years made clear it can do so through dirt, the published images/study of the old Nile river delta made that clear. Just have never seen any open source report of the ability to see caverns inside of rock
Anyone know that can talk about it?
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Post subject: Re: The B2 in B2 Bomber stands for $2B! Posted: Yesterday, 23:29 |
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Username Protected wrote: In addition, Jihasi is scouring the countryside from massage agents. This will only serve to anger the local population. In typical Iranian fashion, they will likely arrest 100 innocent people for everyone Massage agent they find. Most of the Massage agents have probably literally headed for the hills.
If you could get me the phone number of some of those massage agents before they head for the hills, I'd appreciate it.
You can only wish. These Massage agents sure give deep tissue massages.
Did you all catch today how the “only set them Back a few months” line was completely destroyed. Yep our media ran with a B.S report.
The fact is this act took bravery and many others have backed away from such an opportunity. Last I checked we destroyed Iran’s ability to build a nuclear weapon anytime soon. That should be a cause to celebrate. Yet we have those trying to cut it down. History will show only one bomber could do it and one president. We did it all without losing a single plane or military member. That is really unbelievable and unheard of. Remember not Long ago we could not get out of Afghanistan without it being a disaster. Incompetence only gets really obvious when you see competence. Finished off with a ceasefire without one being insight before. As Ali would say, take a bow you bums.
The Nobel Peace prize has been given for much less.
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Post subject: Re: The B2 in B2 Bomber stands for $2B! Posted: Today, 08:36 |
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Username Protected wrote: I would really love to know if the ground penetrating radar we have in orbit can "read" through rock. Open source for years made clear it can do so through dirt, the published images/study of the old Nile river delta made that clear. Just have never seen any open source report of the ability to see caverns inside of rock
Anyone know that can talk about it?
RAS Fun story about the NASA "tests"; the way Rowland White tells it in his book Into the Black, DoD was heavily involved in these tests. In fact, the second shuttle mission, STS-2, carried a payload known as the Shuttle Imaging Radar-A (SIR-A) and was intended, in part, to show off some of what the US could see from space-based radars. Not all of it, mind you, but enough to warn adversaries. SIR-B and SIR-C followed later. I haven't seen any open source reporting of how much DoD was involved in that, but of course the USAF, Navy, NRO, and various other alphabets have been flying spaceborne radars of various types for quite a while. My guess, based on what little I know, is that you wouldn't get enough of a usable signal returned from a subterranean void at any depth deep enough to be interesting but I'm not a radar engineer, so I could certainly be wrong. If I wanted to map caverns like that, I might be tempted to do it acoustically by sneaking some massage agents in and having them place transducers etc.
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Post subject: Re: The B2 in B2 Bomber stands for $2B! Posted: Today, 10:52 |
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Username Protected wrote: My guess, based on what little I know, is that you wouldn't get enough of a usable signal returned from a subterranean void at any depth deep enough to be interesting but I'm not a radar engineer, so I could certainly be wrong. If I wanted to map caverns like that, I might be tempted to do it acoustically by sneaking some massage agents in and having them place transducers etc. I don't profess to know much about space based GPR but from what I've read you need to use fairly low frequencies (i.e. 10-50 MHz) for deep penetration and even then the best you can get is 50-100 ft and the usable depth depends on the conductivity of the material being penetrated. At that low of a frequency, you'd need a huge antenna (>100ft diameter) just to get a beam width of a degree or two and from LEO one degree equates to a few miles of beam width at the ground. Most of the space based radars I'm aware of use millimeter waves (i.e many GHz) and are used to map terrain and large structures on the ground.
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