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Makes me wonder how many, if any, of those 70’s F14’s ever fly.

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At best we have set them back 5 or so years.

Unless there's a regime change and Iran denouncing fundamental Islam and deciding that they want to be a useful secular country as they used to be.

How do "we" help enable that? Get their people unfettered access to the internet and they will use to organize and throw off the shackles of this government. It's a country rife for revolution in a (mostly good) way and if it means dropping in VSAT or Starlink terminals to build localized meshed networks that will be difficult for the legacy government to jam instead of bombs that's a positive step.

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How do "we" help enable that? Get their people unfettered access to the internet and they will use to organize and throw off the shackles of this government.

I'm not disagreeing...

But it's ironic that the internet (social media, mostly) is causing more divisiveness in this country, and might heal that one.

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unfortunately to change the situation in Iran will require the dictator and henchmen to be gone. in this world it only happens by the death of the dictator or a violent overthrow of the dictator

just look at history.

if you get around behind the dictatorship there is not good alternative for them because by the time they get to this point there is no way for them to retire to Switzerland. there is no scenario where the dictator group can continue to live a good life if they are not in power. so they will do anything kill anyone etc.

Putin is in this same situation now. his only hope is to outlast us

If you look at history, you’ll know that we did this back in 1953, and we basically engineered a coup inside of the country and installed the Shah. But that only lasted so long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iran ... 7%C3%A9tat

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But it's ironic that the internet (social media, mostly) is causing more divisiveness in this country, and might heal that one.

It will also give unfettered access to extremist ideologies and groups, and the algorithm creates an echo chamber by design.

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Transmission from control tower after lift off on B-2 first flight:

"Radar Contact"

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Transmission from control tower after lift off on B-2 first flight:

"Radar Contact"

I've worked a B2 down from the flight levels with no transponder. There were a lot of position and altitude reports involved. I'm just glad we still had comms.

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I agree that action was needed. But I don't think enriched uranium can ever be truly destroyed unless it undergoes fission. Let's assume the bunker busters blew up all the enriched stores underground at Fordo. It just becomes a simple mining excercise to recover the debris and process it, at a lot less effort than it was to produce it in the first place.

At best we have set them back 5 or so years.

Perhaps. And that's a pretty good deal for a days work. If we set them back for just a couple of myears, hell of an ROI.

Again, this seems like a lament, wishing for a sturdier, longer lasting solution that has eluded everyone forever. Can't think of anything anyone could do that will result in a result like the unconditional surrender of Japan or the WWI Armistice.

Not unlike cancer therapy in some situations. A cure may not be in sight, but treatment might add years of high quality of life with a minimum of suffering. And who knows what's coming down the pike. There are cancer reasearchers out there working on dazzling things, and who knows what is brewing in the Islamic world a year from now, or 10? Whatever good things might be taking shape in that world, they got a strong dose of encouragement yesterday.

Pretty good day.

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Being able to assess that all of the enriched uranium stock piles and enrichment capabilities were destroyed will be difficult if not impossible to know without having boots on the ground assuming no other secret facilities exist.

I agree that action was needed. But I don't think enriched uranium can ever be truly destroyed unless it undergoes fission. Let's assume the bunker busters blew up all the enriched stores underground at Fordo. It just becomes a simple mining excercise to recover the debris and process it, at a lot less effort than it was to produce it in the first place.

At best we have set them back 5 or so years.

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No worries....I doubt there's any enriched uranium there when it was bombed. They had plenty of time to move it.....and we see lots of activity days leading up to the bombing. ...."They" know where it went. :peace:

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If the enriched uranium was buried under a million tons of rock it may take longer than that just to extract it, especially if you provide full hazmat protection for the workers involved.

Also 60% U235 can go critical if you pack enough of it together. It wouldn't explode like a bomb but it could generate a very serious radiation dose.

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How do "we" help enable that? Get their people unfettered access to the internet and they will use to organize and throw off the shackles of this government.

I'm not disagreeing...

But it's ironic that the internet (social media, mostly) is causing more divisiveness in this country, and might heal that one.

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Transmission from control tower after lift off on B-2 first flight:

"Radar Contact"

But not as a primary target.

The B2 in B2 Bomber stands for $2B!