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Post subject: Re: The B2 in B2 Bomber stands for $2B! Posted: 21 Jun 2025, 12:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: I can't imagine we need 138 of them... sounds like 19 is probably overkill! As was demonstrated by Ukraine recently, you can eliminate a fleet of $2B bombers for about $20K in drones. An enemy could take out the entire fleet in an afternoon. The hangars they are in are pretty obvious at Whiteman. The most vulnerable time for the planes is sitting on the ground. Concentrating our fire power in so few things is a risky position. The value of the B2 is a deterrent, but it won't be that useful in an actual war due to its vulnerabilities and small fleet size. The future of warfare is small disposable drones. Such systems defeat $billion weapon systems on the cheap. Mike C. They keep the B2s inside hardened hangars when they're at Whiteman, I doubt that the explosives delivered by a commercial drone could get to them there. They do deploy them to forward bases occasionally but from what I learned talking to a friend who was a B2 pilot, most missions are flown directly from Whiteman. They might be vulnerable during takeoff and landing although I know from personal experience that you will get checked by base security if you park near the base even if you're outside the perimeter.
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Post subject: Re: The B2 in B2 Bomber stands for $2B! Posted: 21 Jun 2025, 12:49 |
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Username Protected wrote: I suspect it is two-fold, first- they literally do not care. There is nothing Iran can do to stop the attack that is coming. Secondly- this is a final warning for Iran to surrender.
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Post subject: Re: The B2 in B2 Bomber stands for $2B! Posted: 21 Jun 2025, 12:53 |
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Username Protected wrote: It's called 'show of force', 'intimidation' It's what Reagan did in the Cold War. Let your adversaries know that you can wipe them off the face of the earth if need be. Because we can if necessary, and I would completely condone it. But, what it does is brings these countries to the bargaining table and leads to diplomatic solutions. That's what makes Trump so great. The Art of the Deal. Scare them, intimidate them, some call it bullying, whatever it takes to end wars and keep peace.
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Post subject: Re: The B2 in B2 Bomber stands for $2B! Posted: 21 Jun 2025, 13:33 |
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Username Protected wrote: Hard to hide CONUS departures. A few weeks ago six B-2’s deployed to Diego Garcia. Perhaps to protect them. Perhaps they’ve already visited Iran. But they were not at Diego Garcia a few days ago. Guam is another reasonable destination for B-2’s, but a lousy place to hide. I wonder if Tinian is sufficiently on-line yet? One of the E-4’s (Doomsday, B747) moved from Omaha to Andrews in the past few days. And … A few days ago a conga line of 28 tankers departed CONUS eastbound along with several C17’s & C-5’s. I do not grasp the nuances of tanker math, but I cannot believe that Israel can maintain a tempo of 100-200 sorties/day with their six tired, olde, stove-pipe KC-135’s. Dunno if any of their Hercs can tank. FWIW … Israel has destroyed the world’s only KC-747. Should have tasked Mav, Rooster & Hangman to steal it.
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Post subject: Re: The B2 in B2 Bomber stands for $2B! Posted: 21 Jun 2025, 13:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: Apparently there is mathematically capability to capture almost every electronic interactions. I don't doubt there is the ability to capture "any" signal they want. But there isn't the bandwidth to capture "every" signal. They have to pick and choose. And they are not allowed to indiscriminately target US citizens on US soil.
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Post subject: Re: The B2 in B2 Bomber stands for $2B! Posted: 21 Jun 2025, 15:49 |
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Username Protected wrote: Apparently there is mathematically capability to capture almost every electronic interactions. I don't doubt there is the ability to capture "any" signal they want. But there isn't the bandwidth to capture "every" signal. They have to pick and choose. And they are not allowed to indiscriminately target US citizens on US soil. They don’t need every signal, just keywords that trigger an alert and cause someone to take interest.
Saying the CIA/NSA isn’t allowed to may be accurate in theory, but what about the - - -?
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Post subject: Re: The B2 in B2 Bomber stands for $2B! Posted: 21 Jun 2025, 16:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: Our greatest defense is that our government snoops all communication, it’s very difficult to orchestrate such an attack without the communication being compromised and the plan exposed. We learned our lesson on 9/11. I spent 25 years at NSA - What you say is categorically false. There is neither capacity nor legal authority to do so and despite what the tin-foil hat crowd says, NSA very much follows the law.
At least that is what they say publicly.
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Post subject: Re: The B2 in B2 Bomber stands for $2B! Posted: 21 Jun 2025, 17:08 |
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I don't think we need worry that any enemy is going to launch drones to strike deep inside the continental United States!
That's the beauty of a long range bomber like the B2, it need not be in theater, you can launch it from Missouri, fly it half way around the world, unleash massive destruction and then fly home.[/quote]
Yep… B2 Pilot motto…. “Off for work at 6am… home to BBQ by 5”
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Post subject: Re: The B2 in B2 Bomber stands for $2B! Posted: 21 Jun 2025, 19:32 |
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Why not? Ukraine and I think Israel shipped the drones in containers into the target country and the released them, so they were short range drones. I don't see any reason Iran wouldn't try to do the same to the US. Heck the drones could probably be assembled in the US from parts available here., all you need are a few technically skilled people with the right motivation Username Protected wrote: I don't think we need worry that any enemy is going to launch drones to strike deep inside the continental United States!
That's the beauty of a long range bomber like the B2, it need not be in theater, you can launch it from Missouri, fly it half way around the world, unleash massive destruction and then fly home.
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Post subject: Re: The B2 in B2 Bomber stands for $2B! Posted: 21 Jun 2025, 20:06 |
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B2 just did its thing! 6 planes three sites taken out.
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Post subject: Re: The B2 in B2 Bomber stands for $2B! Posted: 21 Jun 2025, 21:33 |
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Username Protected wrote: I don't think we need worry that any enemy is going to launch drones to strike deep inside the continental United States!
That's the beauty of a long range bomber like the B2, it need not be in theater, you can launch it from Missouri, fly it half way around the world, unleash massive destruction and then fly home.
The Chinese could have done it a couple yrs ago from the gondola basket below the balloons that we’re allowed to traverse across the entire country.
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Post subject: Re: The B2 in B2 Bomber stands for $2B! Posted: 21 Jun 2025, 21:44 |
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Username Protected wrote: They keep the B2s inside hardened hangars when they're at Whiteman, I doubt that the explosives delivered by a commercial drone could get to them there. They do deploy them to forward bases occasionally but from what I learned talking to a friend who was a B2 pilot, most missions are flown directly from Whiteman. They might be vulnerable during takeoff and landing although I know from personal experience that you will get checked by base security if you park near the base even if you're outside the perimeter. Your information is not accurate.
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Post subject: Re: The B2 in B2 Bomber stands for $2B! Posted: 21 Jun 2025, 22:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: The world is now a better place. I hope day 2 is as easy as day 1.
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