Username Protected wrote:
I have a short strip (3100 ft) with mountains around the pattern.
Specifics would help, airport ID?
Quote:
Of the various single pilot versions of the Citation with reversers what one makes the best full flap steep visual descents to normal flare and landing.
3100 ft is enough for many Citations at reasonable landing weights.
At 0 MSL, ISA, my V can land in 2870 ft at *max* landing weight of 15,200 lbs, and that is with it touching down 1000 ft past the threshold and not using the reversers. If you reduce TCH to, say, 15 ft, and use reversers, you can be under 2000 ft.
For a more normal landing weight of, say, 11,500 lbs, distance is 2230 ft.
Takeoff is more limiting, but not by much. 0 MSL, ISA, 3100 ft supports 15,700 lbs, only 200 lbs under max. A more comfortable weight of 14,000 lbs is 2510 ft. These distances are with an engine failure at V1 then climbing to 35 ft AGL, which takes about 1000 ft of runway that you overfly.
Both the landing and takeoff numbers include about 1000 ft of runway you don't touch. Another way to say that is your ground roll will be 1000 ft less than the book numbers. So the numbers do have some margins in them.
Quote:
Just steep approach with turns to very short final, flare and land with minimum floating.
Like the approach I have to do into KSGS runway 34 and not get into KSTP class D?
Attachment:
ksgs-rwy34-final.png
You only got about 4000 ft of room to make that turn and land on a relatively short runway of 4000 ft, so that require moderate banking and speed control to make it work.
Quote:
Yes steeper than a normal ILS and not stabilized.
It is worth noting that "unstabilized" is not the same as "not under control". Those get confused sometimes.
Stabilized is meeting some numerical criteria, usually 1000 ft AGL on path on speed. You can be outside those numbers and still be in full control on your intended path.
Most circling approaches, if you circle at minimums, don't meet stabilized approach criteria, for example, and that is similar to the situation of making a tight turn to final close to the ground.
Mike C.
