I think you are talking past each other. The objective isn't to get a modern autopilot to work WITH the Primus; the objective is to have a modern autopilot available so the Primus can be ripped out and replaced with Garmin.

Therefore, the AP doesn't need to work with the Primus. It just needs to exist so there is a path to a full avionics retrofit, both AP and radios/nav/EFIS.

This is back to the irony that Genesys getting their autopilot done will increase Garmin sales elsewhere on the panel.

Phil

Yes, two separate issues. Genesys wants to make their autopilot work with the Primus system as a stand alone solution. They are already integrated into the G600 system with the V, so that will be an easy switch when and if Jet Tech gets approval to remove the Primus 1000 system.

I did get clarification on the integration. The Garmin system does provide heading and altitude preselect functions to the Genesys autopilot, but it will not accept annunciation information, so there is a small panel above the PFD that shows those indications. Not a big deal at all, and I actually never liked Garmin's scoreboard anyway, it was just too cluttered.
By having a stand alone annunciator, the information is much more clear and concise.
As for the Primus 1000, there will likely never be a Genesys solution for that. Garmin will release their autopilot and avionics suite as a single package for those airframes, and it most likely would not be economically feasible for a third party to get access to that solution.

I'm curious, Chip, if the original question is the reason why the G1000 STC for the original CitationJet just.... died out. My understanding was that it was a game-changer for that airframe but they only converted about ~30 of them then just stopped. Was it a threat to the M2 or something?

Completely wasted effort.

Nobody wants that.

What people want is to remove Primus 1000 entirely. The only missing piece is a new autopilot, everything else is already available assuming Jettech or Blackhawk extend their STCs to cover the Primus planes, which should be pretty easy.

Mike C.

Completely wasted effort.

Nobody wants that.

What people want is to remove Primus 1000 entirely. The only missing piece is a new autopilot, everything else is already available assuming Jettech or Blackhawk extend their STCs to cover the Primus planes, which should be pretty easy.

Mike C.

Genesys needs to partner with Jettech or Blackhawk so their STCs get expanded to Ultra and Encore in conjunction with the Genesys autopilot. Then the Genesys autopilot does become a viable Primus 1000 replacement option.

I was under the impression Jettech was involved with Genesys at one time, but that seems to have broken down. That's bad news for both companies so they should figure out how to proceed together.

Mike C.

The STC is held by Textron and they have orphaned it. The general consensus is that they did so intentionally to protect sales of the M2 and CJ3+ and that may be the case.


This. Remember Ron's got a boss too and job #1 of any public company is Return Value to Shareholders, NOT do what's best for the community.

https://investor.textron.com/investors/ ... fault.aspx

He's just head of a business unit, it may not even be 100% within his discretion. And the parent company is pretty stodgy/ripe for disruption if the Govt/FAA ever allowed it.

You can vote with your wallet, I hope they figure out their best customers are existing customers and the right thing for a community can also be the best for shareholders.

I think both Mike C. and yours truly deserve a little handclap for being 3 pages in with no arguments breaking out.

We like it when mom and dad fight though...we all learn stuff.

I was just thinking that. Congratulations guys.

I also heard that maybe Garmin was working on a STC to use the G3000 to replace the Primus avionics in Ultras, Bravos, and Encores.

Robert T

We like it when mom and dad fight though...we all learn stuff.

Any word on the V Nav function on the Citation V with Jet tech panels?

Works flawlessly with the Genesys 5100 autopilot.

Has anyone heard any update on the Genesys autopilot for the 500 series?