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 Post subject: Re: G650 - Something Cool for Safety - Fire Light on Fuel Se
PostPosted: 02 Oct 2024, 15:10 
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With no experience on Gulfstreams, how is an engine fire warning distinguished from a bleed air leak or fire detection loop fault?

I ask because although it's been 20 years since I retired I vividly remember the procedure on the 747 for identifying which problem is setting off the fire warning that must be done before pulling the fire handle, and the highest percentage of problems were bleed air leaks, followed by shorts in the loop, then actual engine fires.


No replies yet, so I would guess the fire detection loop system has a self test feature that prevents a false warning, and the checklist calls for bringing the throttle to idle for a bleed leak check before shut down.

Engine fires on today's pylon-mounted jet engines just aren't the level of threat that the wing mounted radials of old airliners were, or unfortunately the wing mounted turbine and piston engines today.

With todays jets, doing something wrong in response to an engine fire can be a bigger safety threat than the fire itself. Silencing the bell brings down the level of excitement and allows for methodical thought and action. There's no rush.

When I was at Cessna, we had very, very few actual fires, whether wing mounted turboprops or pylon mounted turbofans, think zero for a number of models. The pistons were a different story.

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 Post subject: Re: G650 - Something Cool for Safety - Fire Light on Fuel Se
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No replies yet, so I would guess the fire detection loop system has a self test feature that prevents a false warning, and the checklist calls for bringing the throttle to idle for a bleed leak check before shut down.

Engine fires on today's pylon-mounted jet engines just aren't the level of threat that the wing mounted radials of old airliners were, or unfortunately the wing mounted turbine and piston engines today.

With todays jets, doing something wrong in response to an engine fire can be a bigger safety threat than the fire itself. Silencing the bell brings down the level of excitement and allows for methodical thought and action. There's no rush.



Paul,

Can't speak for the G650, but on the G550:

A bleed air leak sets off a RED master Warning (250 degrees) or AMBER master Caution (150 degrees) and an associated CAS message indicating where the issue is. There are 10 thermal switches that monitor bleed air (250 degrees) and electric bay areas (150 degrees).

As to the engine fire, indications are the usual ones including illumination of the fire handles. You are absolutely correct about rushing during an engine fire. One of my favorite ground school instructors put it this way, the difference between a normal running engine and an engine fire is a few inches :)

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