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 Post subject: Re: Pretty Efficient
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My turbonormalized Cardinal RG does 165 knots at 8.9GPH at 17,500'. At FL 210 its 173 knots at 8.9GPH. Rich of peak, 11.9 GPH, its 10 knots faster. I'm not sure that the SR20 has a bigger cabin than the Cardinal. The Cardinal is 48" wide at the shoulders.
BTW, I have cruised at FL250, but at that altitude boot strapping can be a factor to deal with.

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This thread is just baiting the Mooney owners. And maybe a DA42-VI owner if we have any in the house.



Fine! You got me!

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This thread is just baiting the Mooney owners. And maybe a DA42-VI owner if we have any in the house.



Fine! You got me!

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:clap: :peace: Well done Will. Whew efficient and fast.
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Cabin width is 49” vs 48” of the 177RG.

You don't have to climb up on a wing to get into a Cardinal.

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Cabin width is 49” vs 48” of the 177RG.

You don't have to climb up on a wing to get into a Cardinal.

Vince

The front seats of the Cardinal RG have to be the easiest piston single to enter/exit. Low door-sill height, no struts in the way and a really big door.

But make sure you never let the door swing open by itself if there's wind behind the airplane, better yet, never park the plane heading away from the wind.
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I can get my 88 year old old man into a Cardinal easier than I can get him into his car. J-3s to 747s, he says the Cardinal is the best plane to get in and out of. And they "are a sexy as PanAm's first class Stews." I can't post what he says about the Cirri, and he's happy they're keeping GA going.

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That Cardinal is a great airplane, and as I posted earlier remarkably efficient. I like them enough that I own 2 of them. But let's be clear, if someone offered to trade my 177RG for a SR20 I would take that deal in a heartbeat! Composite construction (no corrosion!), parachute, no hydraulics, etc...


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I get from 17 to 19 statute miles per gallon. I have seen as high as 21.8 but the average is around 19. Cheap to fly might be the only thing the 150 does well.


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Fine! You got me!

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19 [statute] mpg at 186 [statute] mph. Hell of a snail you got there.


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This thread is just baiting the Mooney owners. And maybe a DA42-VI owner if we have any in the house.



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Pretty efficient but what's with the oil pressure?

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Very few of us here buy an airplane to have the cheapest airplane to operate. Speed, climb rate, number of seats, useful load, blah, blah, blah are often more important.

That said.... I don't think there is any certified airplane that will beat the e-series bonanzas and 225 hp debonair's on fuel costs per mile when run on unleaded mogas.
Plus you get all the benefits of no tetra ethyl lead in the fuel today.

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Fuel efficiency denotes lower cost, but comparing airplanes requires looking at the big picture; acquisition, insurance, maintenance, including parachute system maintenance.

A plane costing half of what a Cirrus does in acquisition and the other costs, yet burning more fuel can be the more cost effective airplane in the approximate performance category.


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A plane costing half of what a Cirrus does in acquisition and the other costs, yet burning more fuel can be the more cost effective airplane in the approximate performance category.


IIRC, Richard Bach once commented in a book he bought the fuel for his T-33 with the money he saved by not buying a Learjet (or something like that). :D

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Pretty efficient but what's with the oil pressure?

I'd guess that's the original 201 analog oil pressure gauge and the IO-550 Missile engine runs at lower pressure? Continental seem to suggest 30-60psi for normal operation. That does make me curious as to whether the OEM oil gauge should be replaced as part of the conversion.


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Very few of us here buy an airplane to have the cheapest airplane to operate. Speed, climb rate, number of seats, useful load, blah, blah, blah are often more important.

That said.... I don't think there is any certified airplane that will beat the e-series bonanzas and 225 hp debonair's on fuel costs per mile when run on unleaded mogas.
Plus you get all the benefits of no tetra ethyl lead in the fuel today.

Leldon


I have a pamphlet published back in the 1960s about the early 35s. Many of those models were capable of 20 smpg, though not reaching the speeds of some of the modern rockets.

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