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Post subject: Re: Helo for real? Posted: 30 Aug 2023, 18:45 |
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Joined: 11/30/12 Posts: 4881 Post Likes: +5531 Location: Santa Fe, NM (KSAF)
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Username Protected wrote: How are fly by wire flight controls “Simpler” than pushrods.
Rotorway has been advertising kind of FADEC electronic engine controls for years. This is a rotorway derivative, right?
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Post subject: Re: Helo for real? Posted: 30 Aug 2023, 18:47 |
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Joined: 07/22/12 Posts: 26 Post Likes: +32
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It appears to be based on the Rotorway airframe and drive system.
Don’t walk — Run as far away as possible. I have about 100 hours in the R-162F. The engine is underpowered, the tail rotor is extremely weak (oh and BTW is belt driven), the landing gear is completely rigid and made out of soft aluminum causing some serious issues if you need to autorotate in the event of an engine failure.
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Post subject: Re: Helo for real? Posted: 30 Aug 2023, 19:46 |
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Joined: 03/04/13 Posts: 4716 Post Likes: +3715 Location: Hampton, VA
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Username Protected wrote: Thanks for this, now I'm 2 hours behind on work for the day! If they can pull it off for that price point? Wow.
But I agree. They are trying to do too much. Develop a new engine and new airframe? Insane.
They do have some amazing ideas though - putting small electric motors on the main wheels so it will be its own tug? Genius.
I also like that they're trying something new with the controls. I'm working on my rotor add-on and after 20 hours I still can't get comfortable in the R44. The robbies are known to be touchy as seen with the SFAR Did my add on in a 22, ended up finding that the more “relaxed surfer” I was in my mind the better it flew lol
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Post subject: Re: Helo for real? Posted: 30 Aug 2023, 20:03 |
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Joined: 01/10/17 Posts: 2221 Post Likes: +1607 Company: Skyhaven Airport Inc
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If I'm guessing right they are taking a Rotorway helicopter kit and engine. Building it and adding the stabilization system servos etc. Then interfacing that to the Rotorway engine with existing basic FADEC.
That would make it easier to fly based on the changes to RC helicopters. With Clutchless servo motors you could do it and keep all the basic controls the same.
The servos would be transparent to the pilot when the system is turned off. Question is how does a pilot that learn with the system active fly it when or if the system is turned off.
Plus the standard Rotorway airframe/engine hype, reliability issues.
Ahh the Mosaic upstarts. This will be like 2005-06 LSA craze all over again!! Lots of money and designs. questionable engineering.
X Cub was mentioned earlier. Too bad Cub Crafters ignored long established practices like installing static systems and backup ignition batteries on the early Sport Cubs. "Testing by unknowing consumer" showed it was needed later. They had to relearn the lessons from 80 years ago before coming out with the "new model". Early LSA land was full of unknowing test pilots/ buyers.
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Post subject: Re: Helo for real? Posted: 30 Aug 2023, 21:15 |
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Username Protected wrote: The robbies are known to be touchy as seen with the SFAR
Did my add on in a 22, ended up finding that the more “relaxed surfer” I was in my mind the better it flew lol Yeah, it took me a bit to chill enough to hover. But when I mean comfortable I mean physically comfortable while manipulating the controls. I find that I end up moving my right leg in toward the center in order to support my wrist which requires tension to hold and then binds my leg when I try to use the pedals. My last lesson I moved the pedals in one notch and that helped a lot. I'm also going to try gripping the cyclic differently. All that to say, most helos have the cyclic come up through the floor - they may have been on to something there ergonomically....
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Post subject: Re: Helo for real? Posted: 30 Aug 2023, 23:29 |
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Joined: 10/11/10 Posts: 937 Post Likes: +342 Location: Lincoln Park, NJ
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Unless this thing has some sort computer controlled stabilization, 30 hours and you're on your own is a sure way to get yourself killed. I fly a Robinson R22 sometimes. They are a lot of fun, but only 30 hours of training, good luck with that.
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