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Post subject: Re: Considering a taildragger .... Posted: 22 Aug 2023, 17:21 |
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Username Protected wrote: Are you getting something with a nosewheel?
Rgs, Patrick Nope. I bought a tailwheel RV7.
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Post subject: Re: Considering a taildragger .... Posted: 22 Aug 2023, 20:11 |
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Username Protected wrote: Are you getting something with a nosewheel? Rgs, Patrick could do I see "backcountry" planes as a lot like jeeps. 95% of them never leave pavement. of the 5% that ever drive on dirt, a VW bug could go almost anyplace they will ever venture. You can go to 99% of what people commonly call "backcountry strips" just fine in a cessna 172
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Post subject: Re: Considering a taildragger .... Posted: 22 Aug 2023, 20:18 |
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Username Protected wrote: What do you own, James? Cessna 
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Post subject: Re: Considering a taildragger .... Posted: 22 Aug 2023, 20:21 |
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Username Protected wrote: Doubt I’d ever own a non taildragger, So, presumably a "tail dragger" Cessna....which one?
_________________ "Most of my money I spent on airplanes. The rest I just wasted....." ---the EFI, POF-----
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Post subject: Re: Considering a taildragger .... Posted: 22 Aug 2023, 20:23 |
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Joined: 07/09/09 Posts: 3674 Post Likes: +1563 Company: Progress Technical. LLC Location: Doylestown, PA (KDYL)
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Username Protected wrote: A neighbor is trying to sell his Husky A1-B No luck. No even serious tire kickers. Reason, insurance. I'm told the Forest Service was having quite a few ground loops with major damage in them. Insurance even for seasoned TW pilots is on the order of $7000 / year for $100k aircraft.
--paul That isn't even remotely close to 'truthful' in terms of the Husky insurance market. I often wonder where this purely false rhetoric originates. A seasoned pilot (seasoned TW experience) is no where near 7K for a $100k aircraft - again I wonder where this information is coming from. I just insured a FLOATED Husky this week with two lower float experienced pilots and the aircraft was close to $200k in value and the pilots had little float time - their premium was slightly under $7k (that for a Husky on amphib FLOATS which always carries a higher premium than a simple tailwheel only policy). Again this information noted is not even close to accurate (no offense Paul as I'm sure you are passing along something you heard second hand). As always - not two risks are the same in insurance - and always consult your insurance broker if you are in the aircraft buying market if you are curious about pricing specific to YOUR experience coupled with the aircraft and aircraft value you are considering. 
No offense taken. I would love to be wrong about this type of stuff. I will add the insurance coverage for our business office (fire, theft, liability) just went up by 38%. Sigh. I am willing to believe almost any bad story I hear.
Yes, I did hear about the high insurance quote second hand. I want to talk to the owner of said Husky and find out what's going on. It was sitting in his mechanic's hangar and when I see him or his mechanic, I'll ask what's going on with the Husky. I wish I could afford to buy it.
I was a downstream owner of a wonderful Carbon Cub. An EX-2 a few years ago. Carbon Cubs can be really expensive and the insurance quote for that Cub at $160,000 value was around $3000. but that was 5 years ago. I don't imagine it had gotten any less expensive. I am in the Philly area if that makes a difference.
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Post subject: Re: Considering a taildragger .... Posted: 22 Aug 2023, 20:27 |
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Paul, I have far more trust in the agents hereon than I do my own "insurance" ideas...but why not call a good agent, get an idea for a premium?
My procedure for many years has been...if I contemplate a plane, the first call I make is to my agent (Frank Kimmel). he will give me a pretty good idea of what my premium will be on my proposed "Barnburner 24". I will honestly say I've been surprised a couple times...sometimes to the good side, sometimes not.
I've actually pulled away from a couple of planned purchases due to insurance considerations.
My tailwheel premiums have been pretty reasonable. Bird Dog with 125K value, insured for dual instruction, under 2K per year. I think that's pretty decent.
Seriously...talk to a good agent, you won't get an exact quote without an N number, but you can get a good idea.
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Post subject: Re: Considering a taildragger .... Posted: 22 Aug 2023, 20:38 |
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Username Protected wrote: Hello BT Gang.
I am thinking about adding another airplane to my hangar! I want something that I can cruise low and slow with, maybe open up the windows over the beach or do some backcountry flying and camping!
I've been window shopping the C180 ... pros / cons ?
What else would you consider ?
Piper Cub ? Champ ? Huskey ? If you like low, and really slow, there’s really only one choice! AirCam! Two engines, dual redundancy, 6 gallons/hour for both engines, cruise at 80 mph, stall at 40 mph (no flaps). I recommend you get a full canopy.
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Post subject: Re: Considering a taildragger .... Posted: 23 Aug 2023, 08:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: A neighbor is trying to sell his Husky A1-B No luck. No even serious tire kickers. Reason, insurance. I'm told the Forest Service was having quite a few ground loops with major damage in them. Insurance even for seasoned TW pilots is on the order of $7000 / year for $100k aircraft.
--paul Huh? I was quoted 3800 for the first year. I have about 100 TW hours. Insured value was $75,000
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Post subject: Re: Considering a taildragger .... Posted: 23 Aug 2023, 08:22 |
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Username Protected wrote: I'm biased because I learned in one but I'd look at a Citabria or Decathlon with 150hp or so. The Aeronca/Bellanca/American Champion series airplanes are roomier than the Piper's and are easy to land (for TW planes) They can be found for J-3 Cub prices and good resale to build time and see where the taildragger itch takes you with more power and speed than a Cub or Champ. Should overall lower the insurance quite a bit 150hp7GCBC Citabria = flaps 7GCAA Citabria = no flaps 7KCAB Citabria = aerobatic engine, no flaps 180hp8KCAB Super Decathlon = aerobatic engine, no flaps 8GCBC Scout = flaps There is also the 150 HP Decathlon, also an 8KCAB
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Post subject: Re: Considering a taildragger .... Posted: 23 Aug 2023, 09:00 |
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Username Protected wrote: What do you own, James? I currently own a 49' IFR Stinson 108-3. It was primarily purchased to train my son as I wanted him to have far better handling skills than your average private pilot. It's worked out pretty good. I just took it to OSH and got front show parking ! They put me in the affordable airplane section and it was great ! I used to own a Sundowner and partnered in an A36 but neither of those would have got me in show center parking for sure. Cheers,
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Post subject: Re: Considering a taildragger .... Posted: 23 Aug 2023, 09:18 |
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Joined: 12/29/10 Posts: 2768 Post Likes: +2624 Location: Dallas, TX (KADS & KJWY)
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Username Protected wrote: I'm biased because I learned in one but I'd look at a Citabria or Decathlon with 150hp or so. The Aeronca/Bellanca/American Champion series airplanes are roomier than the Piper's and are easy to land (for TW planes) They can be found for J-3 Cub prices and good resale to build time and see where the taildragger itch takes you with more power and speed than a Cub or Champ. Should overall lower the insurance quite a bit 150hp7GCBC Citabria = flaps 7GCAA Citabria = no flaps 7KCAB Citabria = aerobatic engine, no flaps 180hp8KCAB Super Decathlon = aerobatic engine, no flaps 8GCBC Scout = flaps There is also the 150 HP Decathlon, also an 8KCAB
And a 180HP 7GCBC. Aerobatic, 1950 gross weight.
I have the ACA "High Country Explorer" which is a big tire (8.50), big engine (180) 7GCBC. Hell of a plane.
IFR as well. Cruises at 110kts at about 9gph.
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