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 Post subject: Re: Ultra restoration
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Did you go with design #2, the lighter blue? The after is going to look slick! It reminds me of the HondaJet schemes, just a bit more fancy.

The way these paint shops do those long curves is amazing!


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I am preferential to #2 as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Ultra restoration
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I am preferential to #2 as well.


#2 it is!!


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 Post subject: Re: Ultra restoration
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Even the light blue is significantly more heat absorbing than the white.

Anything I can do to keep the cockpit cooler is a good idea, so I would seek some scheme to reduce the darker colors around the cabin and especially the cockpit.

Additionally, when putting so much paint over the base layer, it adds weight.

So a paint scheme that is more white, especially on top, with less color, has practical advantages. Here is an example, not necessarily what I would do but illustrates the point:
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I Got to hand it to Ya Mr. Tarver.......Single handedly restoring the Citation Fleet is Quite impressive :clap: :bow: :thumbup:

How do You find the time for your Regular Job? :eek:

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I Got to hand it to Ya Mr. Tarver.......Single handedly restoring the Citation Fleet is Quite impressive :clap: :bow: :thumbup:

How do You find the time for your Regular Job? :eek:


This has become my regular job and my previous job has become my hobby!


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Even the light blue is significantly more heat absorbing than the white.

Anything I can do to keep the cockpit cooler is a good idea, so I would seek some scheme to reduce the darker colors around the cabin and especially the cockpit.

Additionally, when putting so much paint over the base layer, it adds weight.

So a paint scheme that is more white, especially on top, with less color, has practical advantages. Here is an example, not necessarily what I would do but illustrates the point:
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C-Citation-Bravo-N469DE-Photo1.jpg

Mike C.


Hard as it may be to get your head around. Some things are done not to be practical, but just because they are cool. Live a little.


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Even the light blue is significantly more heat absorbing than the white.

Anything I can do to keep the cockpit cooler is a good idea, so I would seek some scheme to reduce the darker colors around the cabin and especially the cockpit.

Additionally, when putting so much paint over the base layer, it adds weight.

So a paint scheme that is more white, especially on top, with less color, has practical advantages. Here is an example, not necessarily what I would do but illustrates the point:
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C-Citation-Bravo-N469DE-Photo1.jpg

Mike C.


Larger 2 tone schemes such as this one are not typically painted over a base layer to save paint and materials.


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Some things are done not to be practical, but just because they are cool.

Being cool sure causes a lot of people to be too hot.

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That's going to be a sweat box in a lot of places, reduces life of batteries, reduces life of the fiberglass parts, increase temperature of the fuel, and all sorts of other bad effects.

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Thats Mr. Ciholas, the definition of Pragmatic :lol: :tongue: :thumbup:

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Thats Mr. Ciholas, the definition of Pragmatic

My plane works for a living, to move my passengers comfortably, it isn't there to impress anyone.

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Moving up to the big iron eh Tarver? Good news as you'll be skilled when I'm ready to move up ;)

Are you doing the panel too?

So one of the corporate departments at my airport has black planes. My mechanic takes care of their planes. During my Phase 1-4, he met the rep from Yingling as the corporate was getting their Mustang repainted. I made a comment about having black planes in Oklahoma. The Yingling rep said that while black will definitely be hotter, they have recenrly developed some kind of primer that minimizes heat transfer from the paint to the structure. Could have just been a sales rep talking out of his rear but that's what he said....


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This is a little crazy as far as scheme practicality, but definitely fit for a billionaire.
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Moving up to the big iron eh Tarver? Good news as you'll be skilled when I'm ready to move up ;)

Are you doing the panel too?

So one of the corporate departments at my airport has black planes. My mechanic takes care of their planes. During my Phase 1-4, he met the rep from Yingling as the corporate was getting their Mustang repainted. I made a comment about having black planes in Oklahoma. The Yingling rep said that while black will definitely be hotter, they have recenrly developed some kind of primer that minimizes heat transfer from the paint to the structure. Could have just been a sales rep talking out of his rear but that's what he said....


Pic is the Excel I fly for a living, painted by Yingling in late 2021. To be clear, I had no say in the scheme, I don’t pay the bills. That said, we are Central FL based and I can honestly say this feels no hotter than the white CJ3 I also fly. It is a special “solar reflective” black that Yingling sourced; it was expensive (+$15k) but it works. And 250+ hours later it still looks incredible. I do believe that modern dark paints perform much better.


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