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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus First Impressions
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Airplanes are like motorcycles. You need 2 or 3.


I have four. :thumbup:

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Airplanes are like motorcycles. You need 2 or 3.


I have four. :thumbup:

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That's amazing! (jealous)

How much are you flying per year? How do you have the time to dedicate to 4 airplanes? Retired, business owner, childless? All of the above?

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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus First Impressions
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Rudy,

I have sold most of my properties, down to about forty two commercial doors. The problem is that, with covid and the shortages, I'm having to work like a craftsman/laborer to fill the gap.
That is in addition to keeping up the ranch property with almost no help.

We get to make some trips, and I try to fly each airplane at least every two weeks. Sometimes it does become a chore.

Hours? probably less than 100 total last year. Now, that I have bought back into a twin with the Baron, going to D.C. to visit the children and other hopeful trips in the 180 and 195, I might actually get back up to 200 this year.

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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus First Impressions
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Airplanes are like motorcycles. You need 2 or 3.


I have four. :thumbup:

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I love it… I’m not the only crazy out there…
Funny how airplanes and motorcycles go together.

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 Post subject: Re: Cirrus First Impressions
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First, as to the Cirrus. Good airplane. Sure the Bo flies nicer, but that is not why people spend a million plus on an airplane, well usually not.

As to owning four airplanes. There used to be a drug dealer in my community. He had a green/pink iridescent Crown Vic with "27's" and about twenty 4"x8" Chiclets stickers placed randomly on the sides. :scratch:

He also had a tag on the front that said "So Many Women, So Little Time".

My wife told me I needed a tag for my truck "So Many Airplanes, So Little Time".

Somebody shot the drug dealer. :duck:

I swear I do not make these things up.

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First, as to the Cirrus. Good airplane. Sure the Bo flies nicer, but that is not why people spend a million plus on an airplane, well usually not.

As to owning four airplanes. There used to be a drug dealer in my community. He had a green/pink iridescent Crown Vic with "27's" and about twenty 4"x8" Chiclets stickers placed randomly on the sides. :scratch:

He also had a tag on the front that said "So Many Women, So Little Time".

My wife told me I needed a tag for my truck "So Many Airplanes, So Little Time".

Somebody shot the drug dealer. :duck:

I swear I do not make these things up
Jg





You can’t leave us hanging like that. Did the drug dealer live to deal another day?


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No. The dealer's front tag was prophetic. "So Little Time".

The top dealer around here now is a young man that I coached in little league ball. I ran into him in Dollar General last summer. With a big, toothy, gold tooth smile, he ran up and hugged me. I was just about that glad to see him too. :thumbup:

Heck of a note. One of my players became an Army sniper and served two tours in Iraq. Actually two became drug dealers. The other one wasn't very successful. He got caught early on and spent time.

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Well, I confess, yesterday I got frustrated with the Cirrus' electric trim. It is not precise. With the electric trim on my Bo it was easy to dial in just the right amount of trim. With the Cirrus, I hunt up, I hunt down, I hunt up, I hunt down, I get annoyed. The transition instructor's response? "Well, it is mostly an autopilot airplane."

Yet the more I dive into the systems, the more I am blown away by the level of thought and engineering they put into this aircraft platform.


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Well, I confess, yesterday I got frustrated with the Cirrus' electric trim. It is not precise. With the electric trim on my Bo it was easy to dial in just the right amount of trim. With the Cirrus, I hunt up, I hunt down, I hunt up, I hunt down, I get annoyed. The transition instructor's response? "Well, it is mostly an autopilot airplane."

Yet the more I dive into the systems, the more I am blown away by the level of thought and engineering they put into this aircraft platform.


Depending on which year aircraft you flew, there are probably one or two reasons trimming seems to be a PITA.

1. Because of the way the stick is oriented, and the way the trim cap is mounted on the stick, when you first start to fly the plane and try to trim for pitch, we tend to screw up the aileron trim at the same time. Then when you try to fix the aileron trim you just screwed up, you screw up the pitch trim.

2. If the airplane still has the aileron/elevator interconnect, it makes it all much worse.


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Well, I confess, yesterday I got frustrated with the Cirrus' electric trim. It is not precise. With the electric trim on my Bo it was easy to dial in just the right amount of trim. With the Cirrus, I hunt up, I hunt down, I hunt up, I hunt down, I get annoyed. The transition instructor's response? "Well, it is mostly an autopilot airplane."

Yet the more I dive into the systems, the more I am blown away by the level of thought and engineering they put into this aircraft platform.


That's one complaint I do have about the SR's. I miss the manual trim in my C182 and wish the SR's also had a manual trim. Yes it is mostly and autopilot flown airplane but when doing maneuvers or practicing hand flying skills, it can take a little hunting to find the perfect trim position.

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Well, I confess, yesterday I got frustrated with the Cirrus' electric trim. It is not precise. With the electric trim on my Bo it was easy to dial in just the right amount of trim. With the Cirrus, I hunt up, I hunt down, I hunt up, I hunt down, I get annoyed. The transition instructor's response? "Well, it is mostly an autopilot airplane."

Yet the more I dive into the systems, the more I am blown away by the level of thought and engineering they put into this aircraft platform.


Depending on which year aircraft you flew, there are probably one or two reasons trimming seems to be a PITA.

1. Because of the way the stick is oriented, and the way the trim cap is mounted on the stick, when you first start to fly the plane and try to trim for pitch, we tend to screw up the aileron trim at the same time. Then when you try to fix the aileron trim you just screwed up, you screw up the pitch trim.

2. If the airplane still has the aileron/elevator interconnect, it makes it all much worse.



I'm renting a G6. My issue is the pitch trim control is just sloppy. My B36TC has a smooth switch, that easily let you dial in just the right amount of trim. On the other hand, it didn't have fully redundant electrical systems....

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I'm renting a G6. My issue is the pitch trim control is just sloppy. My B36TC has a smooth switch, that easily let you dial in just the right amount of trim. On the other hand, it didn't have fully redundant electrical systems....


Unless the G6 is different than our G2, it isn't fully redundant.

Battery 2 and Alternator 2 power the Essential bus. That's basically the PFD, Nav/Comm 1, and autopilot. Doesn't even include the transponder or trim (and there is no manual trim).

Battery 1 and Alternator 1 power everything else. If Alternator 2 fails, Alternator 1 will power everything through a diode because volts out is higher than battery volts.

However, if Alternator 1 fails, you only have the non-essential stuff as long as Battery 1 lasts. After that you only have the Essential bus stuff. Bat 2 and Alt 2 cannot power the non-essential equipment.

If you are having a bad day and get an electrical fire on something from the Essential bus, you'll have to turn EVERYTHING off, including the non-essential stuff, until you can find the CB's for the Essential bus and pull them. Our standby attitude indicator is electric. If I have to shut everything off, I'll lose it too and have no attitude reference. At that point I'll be relying on attitude from our GDL50, displayed on our Aera796 or tablet. When our standby attitude indicator fails, I'll be pushing my partners to replace it with a G5 or GI275 with a battery backup.


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I'm renting a G6. My issue is the pitch trim control is just sloppy. My B36TC has a smooth switch, that easily let you dial in just the right amount of trim. On the other hand, it didn't have fully redundant electrical systems....


Unless the G6 is different than our G2, it isn't fully redundant.


There are lots of differences (including electrical system) between G2 and G6. It isn't 100% redundant in the G6 (like it would be in a twin jet) but you don't lose much with a loss of Alt1 and you lose nothing if you lose Alt2
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LOL, Wife needs to sit upfront and she would have way more room in the TBM.

I dont see how an M600 can be more simple to fly than a TBM, please explain?



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I've owned both an Avidyne G3 SR22 (in which I did a new interior and full Avidyne upgrade and got my IR in it), and currently own an M600. Loved the Cirrus, and love the M600. I came very close to pulling the trigger on an M350 but then found a partner and decided to go halves on an M600. But Chuck is correct; other than the ground speed (and I guess the sound at startup!), your pax won't be able to tell the difference between a piston and turbine PA46. Very very comfortable in the back.

We bought our M600 from a guy in Colorado who decided to buy a TBM ... we bumped into them a few months later at Ross Aviation in KSDL and his wife was complaining that the TBM wasn't nearly as comfortable in the back as the PA46 in her opinion. Her husband liked the TBM speed but preferred the M600 simplicity.

In any case, you will love the Cirrus.

Then again, I have a Diamond DA62 on order for late 2022 delivery so don't listen to me, apparently I have "a problem," or so my ex-wives tell me ... but on the other hand, I don't have to listen to them anymore! *laughing*

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I dont see how an M600 can be more simple to fly than a TBM, please explain?


Inertial separator would be the only real difference. TBM has a better ride.


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