BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Dec 2021, 11:15

Its terrible how Textron mis treated the Columbia/TTx,,,, reminds me strangely of how Piaggio completely botched marketing the Avanti even though it was (and still is) light years ahead of its competition.

Hopefully like the Avanti the TTx will gain "cult status" further increasing its value. I wish Textron would sell the TC to a company that would put it back into production with some upgrades *like a chute*. If they did they would gut Cirrus sales. After all, who wants to drive a Camry when you can drive a Porche?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Dec 2021, 15:59

Big investment to see if a chute could be installed. Could it have a strong market even without the chute if further improvements and focus on satisfying customers?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Dec 2021, 21:19

Honestly, a parachute doesn't alter my purchase decision at all.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Dec 2021, 21:24

Username Protected wrote:

As far as someone who wants to sell airplanes, I don't need that. I need someone who knows the airplane and how to get a deal done.

I just need a buncha-million bucks and some reasonable justification to spend it. :rofl:

There just aren't $5-million worth of places I need to go.

Would love to fly a jet though.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 17 Dec 2021, 23:38

Username Protected wrote:

Honestly, a parachute doesn't alter my purchase decision at all.

Larry, it doesn't for me either. But it DOES for a lot of non flying wives who wear the pants in the family when it comes to purchase decisions. Hence the Cirrus' popularity.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 18 Dec 2021, 21:43

Username Protected wrote:

I've also noticed (oddly) that there is an overlap of planes in the 2006-2008 range that some say Columbia 400 on them and others say Cessna 400. What's up with that? Same plane or different?

2008’s were delivered with Cessna 400 stickers. Many owners on the 2006 and 2007 just switched to them.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Dec 2021, 14:30

The also quite popular Diamond DA40 doesn't have a parachute either, and it has enjoyed a very good safety record.

The early days of the SR22 had a lot of judgment accidents. They sold a lot of airplanes to people who regarded it as a "personal airliner" and ready for anything. In the end, it is just a single engine piston plane with a lot of decorations on it.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Dec 2021, 14:43

Cirrus pilots definitely fly in more challenging weather than other SEP pilots. I regularly watch SR22s making flights I wouldn't make in my Meridian. Low IFR with forecasted icing at night in the mountains type of flying.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Dec 2021, 14:52

Username Protected wrote:

Cirrus pilots definitely fly in more challenging weather than other SEP pilots. I regularly watch SR22s making flights I wouldn't make in my Meridian. Low IFR with forecasted icing at night in the mountains type of flying.

You’re damn smart then. :thumbup:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Dec 2021, 16:08

The icing prevention that comes on the certified version of the Cirrus is really pretty good as long as you are not exposed too long (and the tanks run dry). I recall many years ago I did a full approach to a Wyoming airport in icing conditions in my Aerostar. The protected surfaces of my Aerostar were clean, but the rest of the airframe had a bunch of ice. An SR-22 landed behind me and the entire airframe was completely ice-free. I was impressed.
One could definitely question the idea of flying a single engine piston at night, in the mountains, in icing conditions...but I'd question that mostly because of the powerplant, not the anti-icing systems.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Dec 2021, 18:22

Username Protected wrote:

The icing prevention that comes on the certified version of the Cirrus is really pretty good as long as you are not exposed too long (and the tanks run dry). I recall many years ago I did a full approach to a Wyoming airport in icing conditions in my Aerostar. The protected surfaces of my Aerostar were clean, but the rest of the airframe had a bunch of ice. An SR-22 landed behind me and the entire airframe was completely ice-free. I was impressed.
One could definitely question the idea of flying a single engine piston at night, in the mountains, in icing conditions...but I'd question that mostly because of the powerplant, not the anti-icing systems.

Is the air filter heated? Fuel tank vents? Engine breather? Windshield?

So many other items need to be avail for me personally

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Dec 2021, 18:51

Username Protected wrote:

Is the air filter heated? Fuel tank vents? Engine breather? Windshield?

So many other items need to be avail for me personally

Exactly. Cirrus urgently needed the crutch of a parachute because some people who fly them don't have sound ADM.

I'd much rather have good ADM than a parachute.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Dec 2021, 18:54

Username Protected wrote:

Is the air filter heated? Fuel tank vents? Engine breather? Windshield?

So many other items need to be avail for me personally

Exactly. Cirrus urgently needed the crutch of a parachute because some people who fly them don't have sound ADM.

I'd much rather have good ADM than a parachute.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Dec 2021, 20:07

Username Protected wrote:

Is the air filter heated? Fuel tank vents? Engine breather? Windshield?

So many other items need to be avail for me personally

Exactly. Cirrus urgently needed the crutch of a parachute because some people who fly them don't have sound ADM.

I'd much rather have good ADM than a parachute.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 19 Dec 2021, 20:11

Username Protected wrote:

Cirrus originally added the parachutes an an integral part of every new airplane which they designed as a result of a mid air collision Cirrus founder Alan Klapmeier was involved in. He resolved to find a means to make light aircraft safer for their uses and found the best solution lay in the installation of ballistic parachutes.

The POH and CAPS training documents list activiation of the CAPS in the event of a spin both for ease of recovery and to make the OEM more immune to litigation.

The rumors that Cirruses cannot recover from spins fester on GA forums by ignorant pilots trash talking each other about their aircraft. Other aircraft such as the Lancair/Columbia LC-550FG series did not undergo spin certification as part of the certification process and were not equipped with ballistic parachutes (they also can successfully recover from spins as well).

Sure. Sadly, not only are other planes (DA40, etc.) just as safe without a parachute, the parachute leads to bad ADM amongst some Cirrus owners.

Flying around in forecast icing at night in the mountains in a Cirrus is beyond bad judgement.

Cessna/Columbia 400