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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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That said...I sure wish I didn't have to crank it up on to the tray. I hope your effort level for cranking is low. Your winch looks different than mine, you likely have a different gear ratio/cranking advantage.


I've only used it once! But I put the plate on the ground and gently ran it under the wheel, then put the strap behind the gear and used the winch to tighten. So, I didn't really use the winch to move the plane.


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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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That said...I sure wish I didn't have to crank it up on to the tray. I hope your effort level for cranking is low. Your winch looks different than mine, you likely have a different gear ratio/cranking advantage.


I've only used it once! But I put the plate on the ground and gently ran it under the wheel, then put the strap behind the gear and used the winch to tighten. So, I didn't really use the winch to move the plane.


I see now that yours is different than mine. Ours has a tilting tray, not a power lift. Only have to pull it up maybe an inch or so of elevation, but the short-body Mits is so darn nose heavy, it's a decent amount of force to crank it up.

You'll love that tug.

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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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Yeah I need to call Mark, my B12 will NOT pull the airplane into my hangar. Its just too heavy for it. All this after I had them make a custom nose gear plate for it. :bang:

It also doesn't get good enough traction to push OUT of the hangar without a little wing shove..... of course when you put marble on a hangar floor you might have that issue ,,, du :doh:
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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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Interesting - I have the smaller version of the Best Tug (Bravo-8) we use for the Mits. Avanti is about 1000 lbs heavier than short-body Mits. My tug has enough oomph to move the Mits full of fuel (9300lbs) around on a flat surface and over a lip. Also will move the plane on icy surface as well. Likely doesn't slip because the Mits is so nose heavy.


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 Post subject: Re: The definitive Piaggio P180 Avanti thread.
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Yeah I have no idea. Fully charged, lined up (3 degree up slope maybe into my hangar) it stops halfway and wont budge.

Maybe I have a lemon?


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My AC Air Tug T1.5 could pull my Turbo Commander, no problem. I guess here the tracks come in handy as they have much more surface area. But I like the Patey's tugs a lot, so would probably go that route if I bought again. Lazy Susan is a must for me, though. Makes life about 1000% easier.

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I was reminded this week how lucky we are, and how our lives are different, because of GA. My family is used to showing up at the airport where the pilot (me) loads their bags, shows them to their seats and takes off with no delay. On arrival a car whisks up to the plane while someone loads their bags and off they go.

When I need to go somewhere on business I pull the plane out and go, and then come back, on my schedule with no waiting around.

That really is amazing when you think about it.

My wife and her partner had a business meeting in Austin this week and I insisted they take the plane. We have an arrangement for a pilot to fly when I am unable and so he took the trip. They left in the afternoon, had their meeting, dinner, a breakfast the next morning and were in their office at 11:00. My wife is, of course, accustomed to this but her partner was agog (of course an Avanti makes a pretty nice introduction to GA). He keeps talking about it and told her today that he was "depressed" that he was driving to Kansas City later in the week. He said it never occurred to him that that was onerous until he saw how it could be. Of course, he hasn't seen the fuel bill, ramp fees or pilot invoice yet either... :D

We are really fortunate as pilots to have the incredible freedom of time our airplanes give us.


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A friend traveling to a business meeting was offered a lift on a customer's jet. They said it leaves at 8 o'clock. He asked what time he should be there and they gave him a look, then said, real slow: Eight oh clock.
He couldn't do it. He got there at 7:30 and sat in his car for 25 minutes.


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And the big block PT6's can't be put on MORE program. You just have to run them over and take your chances.


Just wanted to confirm that the PT6A-66 (Avanti 1 engine) can't be put on the MORE program? The reason I'm asking is that I'm starting to look at Avanti's for sale. One airplane that I found is close to TBO (3400 hours). When I spoke to the owner about the engines, he indicated that his plan was to put it on the MORE program. When I questioned this, he said that he had already checked it out, no problem.

I know this has been discussed elsewhere, but how does the market (buyers/sellers) respond to a sub-million dollar airplane that is approaching a 700k-900k TBO? I currently fly a Citation Mustang and the jet market seems pretty efficient, you are either on programs, or the airplane is discounted appropriately. I don't think I understand the turboprop market. Thanks for your help.


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And the big block PT6's can't be put on MORE program. You just have to run them over and take your chances.


Just wanted to confirm that the PT6A-66 (Avanti 1 engine) can't be put on the MORE program? The reason I'm asking is that I'm starting to look at Avanti's for sale. One airplane that I found is close to TBO (3400 hours). When I spoke to the owner about the engines, he indicated that his plan was to put it on the MORE program. When I questioned this, he said that he had already checked it out, no problem.

I know this has been discussed elsewhere, but how does the market (buyers/sellers) respond to a sub-million dollar airplane that is approaching a 700k-900k TBO? I currently fly a Citation Mustang and the jet market seems pretty efficient, you are either on programs, or the airplane is discounted appropriately. I don't think I understand the turboprop market. Thanks for your help.



Look here:

http://www.morecompany.net/

The market is full of unrealistic sellers. Some are successful in suckering people into paying for their engine useage but you shouldn't obviously.

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And the big block PT6's can't be put on MORE program. You just have to run them over and take your chances.


Just wanted to confirm that the PT6A-66 (Avanti 1 engine) can't be put on the MORE program? The reason I'm asking is that I'm starting to look at Avanti's for sale. One airplane that I found is close to TBO (3400 hours). When I spoke to the owner about the engines, he indicated that his plan was to put it on the MORE program. When I questioned this, he said that he had already checked it out, no problem.

I know this has been discussed elsewhere, but how does the market (buyers/sellers) respond to a sub-million dollar airplane that is approaching a 700k-900k TBO? I currently fly a Citation Mustang and the jet market seems pretty efficient, you are either on programs, or the airplane is discounted appropriately. I don't think I understand the turboprop market. Thanks for your help.


Since I last checked, they now say they have a "non- STC'd program for all -60 series engines". I have no idea what that means. I'm assuming it is you follow the inspection program, but just simply run them over without being able to say they're STC'd to go over.
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Just wanted to confirm that the PT6A-66 (Avanti 1 engine) can't be put on the MORE program? The reason I'm asking is that I'm starting to look at Avanti's for sale. One airplane that I found is close to TBO (3400 hours). When I spoke to the owner about the engines, he indicated that his plan was to put it on the MORE program. When I questioned this, he said that he had already checked it out, no problem.

I know this has been discussed elsewhere, but how does the market (buyers/sellers) respond to a sub-million dollar airplane that is approaching a 700k-900k TBO? I currently fly a Citation Mustang and the jet market seems pretty efficient, you are either on programs, or the airplane is discounted appropriately. I don't think I understand the turboprop market. Thanks for your help.


Since I last checked, they now say they have a "non- STC'd program for all -60 series engines". I have no idea what that means. I'm assuming it is you follow the inspection program, but just simply run them over without being able to say they're STC'd to go over.

In the MU2 world, one can buy engines with time remaining and keep flying for somewhat less than a full OH. Are there similar options for the Avanti or is the Pratt engine so unique that it is only used on Avantis?
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Idundidit...me tinks

Non refundable deposit sent to escrow.

Hope to close and pick up next week on an Avanti II

Plenty of business use potential

My Son is headed to Rochester Institute of Technology next fall for engineering technology.
We will be empty nesters, mid 50's and healthy.

I can work 20-30 hours a week with a week off to travel once a month or so.

IF NOT NOW, WHEN

A weeee bit excited, I am

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Idundidit...me tinks

Non refundable deposit sent to escrow.

Hope to close and pick up next week on an Avanti II

My Son is headed to Rochester Institute of Technology next fall for engineering technology.
We will be empty nesters, mid 50's and healthy.

I can work 20-30 hours a week with a week off to travel once a month or so.

IF NOT NOW, WHEN

A weeee bit excited, I am

Congratulations. I can’t wait to see PICTURES!!!
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