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Post subject: Re: Turbo prop Cabin Psi and airframes Posted: 14 Jul 2020, 21:45 |
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Username Protected wrote: Early A2PC TC Mu2 are 5psi Later A10SW TC Mu2 are 6psi
Tj Lies... L, M, N, P, Marquis, and Solitaire were 6.0 or 6.1 or whatever. Can’t see that resolution on the little needle anyway. Realized I had to correct this after some recollection. But cool list. More is better. Lear 31 is 9psi. And there i sat at FL510 with barely 2psi outside the plane hanging on the cabin controller for dear life. Space isn’t all that bad. 15psi cabin and you got Sea Level. Tj
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Post subject: Re: Turbo prop Cabin Psi and airframes Posted: 14 Jul 2020, 21:53 |
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Username Protected wrote: My Meridian is 5.5. I did not know the M600 was 5.6. I assumed same pressure vessel. Like Joel, we see 5.5 psi at 30,000 feet on our M600 as well. The max DIff is 5.6, but I think the computer leaves .1 just so that you don’t bump up against the release valves
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Post subject: Re: Turbo prop Cabin Psi and airframes Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 00:00 |
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Joined: 04/11/16 Posts: 30 Post Likes: +28 Location: FFZ MESA,AZ
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Username Protected wrote: Ordered & Expanded
3.35 - Cessna P210N, Cessa P337 4.2 - Cessna 340, 414 4.2 - Commander 680 4.25 - Aerostar 4.7 - king air 100 5.0 - Cessna 421 / conquest I (425) 5.0 - early MU-2s 5.0 - king air 90 5.2 - Commander 690 5.5 - Upgraded Aerostar 5.5 - Cheyenne I/II 5.6 - m600 5.8 - Pilatus pc12 6.0 - later MU-2s 6.1 - MU-2 Solitaire, Marquise 6.2 - TBM 700/800/900 6.3 - Conquest II (441) 6.3 - Cheyenne III 6.5 - King Air 200/300 6.7 - Commander 695 7.1 - Merlin 7.6 - Cheyenne 400 9.0 - Piaggio avanti
Maximum altitude for a 10,000 ft cabin (approximately)
1.0 psi - 12,700 2.0 psi - 15,600 3.0 psi - 18,800 4.0 psi - 22,300 5.0 psi - 26,500 6.0 psi - 31,500 7.0 psi - 37,300 8.0 psi - 45,000 9.0 psi - >50,000 ft Thank you, thank you, thank you, awesome... !!!
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Post subject: Re: Turbo prop Cabin Psi and airframes Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 13:48 |
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One of my few complaints about the M600 is that the pressurization is all automatic and even though you can go 5.6 psi diff, the computer keeps the cabin between 9k and 10k above FL260, which means below FL280 you never see even 5.5 psi. The plus side of this is you send your flight plan from ForeFlight to the G3000 and never touch anything pressurization related. The only thing I do is check the displayed landing field elevation and use that to VNAV my way to pattern altitude.
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Post subject: Re: Turbo prop Cabin Psi and airframes Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 14:16 |
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Joined: 11/22/12 Posts: 2852 Post Likes: +2795 Company: Retired Location: Lynnwood, WA (KPAE)
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Username Protected wrote: So us non pressurized people can relate. What is the diff on a 737? 737 is designed to hold a max cabin altitude of 8,000'. The 787 and 777X keep it no higher than 6,000' and they go to 43,000', which is higher than 737s.
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Post subject: Re: Turbo prop Cabin Psi and airframes Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 16:18 |
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Joined: 11/22/12 Posts: 2852 Post Likes: +2795 Company: Retired Location: Lynnwood, WA (KPAE)
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Epic (both LT and E1000) and Evolution are all 6.5 psi
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Post subject: Re: Turbo prop Cabin Psi and airframes Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 16:24 |
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Joined: 11/30/12 Posts: 4890 Post Likes: +5552 Location: Santa Fe, NM (KSAF)
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OK, here it is. Please check out the spreadsheet linked at the bottom of this post. It's the first time I've seen a table in this format, and it answers the pressure question in the format that pilots want to ask: If my cabin pressure is 5.2 psi, what is my cabin altitude at flight level 250? It's a table with pretty much all propeller pressures and flight levels. It's based on a standard atmosphere, of course - I don't have anything built yet for ISA -10 or +20. The formula is a horrible mix of SI and imperial units with a few shortcuts thrown in, but I have confidence in its accuracy. It does take the change in lapse rate at the stratosphere into effect, but only on the forward calculation. It does not take cabin temperature into effect. Translation: The cabin altitude is off by a little when the flight level is over 36,00 feet, but it affects the lower pressures more than the higher ones. Let me know what you think. I'm going to put the makes & models on the second page of the spreadsheet. Look for the tabs at the bottom to change pages. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
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Post subject: Re: Turbo prop Cabin Psi and airframes Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 17:14 |
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Username Protected wrote: OK, here it is. Please check out the spreadsheet linked at the bottom of this post. It's the first time I've seen a table in this format, and it answers the pressure question in the format that pilots want to ask:
I've had an app for a few years here: http://avionictools.com/ select "Cabin Alt". It has been years since I updated the models, guess I should update all of these. Fairly close to your calcs.
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Post subject: Re: Turbo prop Cabin Psi and airframes Posted: 15 Jul 2020, 17:35 |
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Joined: 11/30/12 Posts: 4890 Post Likes: +5552 Location: Santa Fe, NM (KSAF)
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Username Protected wrote: I don't see P-baron on the list. Just added it, for both before and after 1979 models.
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Post subject: Re: Turbo prop Cabin Psi and airframes Posted: 17 Jul 2020, 21:40 |
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Joined: 01/08/17 Posts: 439 Post Likes: +291
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I don't fly Dukes every day but I think most of the legacy piston pressurized twins are regulated about .2 below redline.
For what it is worth, Duke is 4.6 redline but typically regulated at 4.4 PSI.
Aerostar stock is redlined at 4.5, regulated at 4.3 or so.
Notable that the Aerostar 5.5 PSI upgrade gets the full 5.5 PSI at the regulated pressure, with a 5.75 or 5.8 redline.
It seems most of the others are commonly referred to at the redline and not the regulated pressure.
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