BeechTalk - BT - Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series

Username Protected · **Posted:** 05 Jun 2018, 20:42

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Williams FJ44 can burn up to i think 10 hours of avgas. The hours of running on avgas need to be logged.

Use of avgas is not approved in Williams engines on any of the 525 models

Username Protected · **Posted:** 05 Jun 2018, 22:30

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I am not where I can reference the MM so going by memory. Sort of remember hearing it at one time.

AFM- limitations- approved fuels

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Jun 2018, 02:12

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leaving at 1300 today, Pilatus does SAW to SDL in 5:35 non stop with 8 on board plus bags. I've done much longer flights than that non stop.

But again, Mark does it once a month. Not once a week. That's my point. I don't want to fly 4 hour flights every week. I'd rather move to wherever that place is that's 4 hours away. I would never have a vacation home that's 4 hours away. I'd move. I think most folks feel that way. Hence why wealthy New Yorkers build massive homes on Long Island and don't fly to the BVI's EVERY WEEK.

No, in reality it won't.

Show me a W&B for a PC12 where you can put fuel, 8 adults, and bags, and be legal. Unless the adults are tiny. It won't work with 180lbs passengers if you want any baggage with you.

5 hour flight is 2300lbs of fuel with zero reserves. 8*180lbs passengers are 1440lbs, let's add a very conservative amount of 20lbs of bags per passenger, and we're at 3900lbs payload. You have the lightest PC12NG in the world if your empty weight is less than 6550lbs to make it legal. And note, we didn't make it all the way to destination that was 5.5 hours away...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Jun 2018, 07:29

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And note, we didn't make it all the way to destination that was 5.5 hours away...

I've done it a 1000 times. PC12 is a 6.5 hour airplane with reserves. Mine has 11 seats.... I only have 8 of them installed. 8 occupants isn't a heavy load for PC12.

Tradewinds aviation runs their PC12's out of St. Barth (2000' strip) with 11 seats and full fuel.

At FL280 flight time is 5.9 with a 24 knot headwind.... the fuel burn is 2300 Lbs. Easy peasy. Well within reserves.

But you do know me well.... I would never fly around with eight 180 LBS guys.... who does? But they are all adults.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Jun 2018, 08:10

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But you do know me well.... I would never fly around with eight 180 LBS guys.... who does? But they are all adults.

With everyone around you eating ketoand healthy it helps keep down the weight you need to carry. :peace:

Username Protected · **Posted:** 07 Jun 2018, 08:11

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With everyone around you eating ketoand healthy it helps keep down the weight you need to carry. :peace:

Yeah I don't haul fat chicks either.......

Username Protected · **Posted:** 08 Jun 2018, 23:59

1820NM today from Baltimore to Scottsdale today in my 441, headwinds up to 50+ knots.... Just saying...
Useful load with full fuel 938lbs....

What jet could do this? A CJ3? Or a CJ4? Others?

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Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Jun 2018, 00:11

Dam Max! That is incredible.

How many lbs remaining when you landed?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Jun 2018, 00:22

400 lbs...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Jun 2018, 00:43

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400 lbs...

60 gallons, more than an hour at cruise.

Downside is 7 hours at 11,000 ft cabin, which can be tiring.

If only the 441 had higher pressurization.

Mike C.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Jun 2018, 01:26

6.3PSI. It was indicating just over 10,000. Agree that lower would be nice.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Jun 2018, 02:37

My 840 with -10s and LR fuel was something. So now I have 1000 hrs PIC in aviation family jets. So I charter 441 for a trip where our jets were busy. It seemed like a light weight loud high vibration machine. I know it is a fine machine but it hard to convince yourself on a comparison basis.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Jun 2018, 06:05

Are they having this much fun on the Citation website, or is it just us BT girls?

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Jun 2018, 08:38

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Are they having this much fun on the Citation website, or is it just us BT girls?

They are less effusive.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 09 Jun 2018, 09:30

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1820NM today from Baltimore to Scottsdale today in my 441, headwinds up to 50+ knots.... Just saying...
Useful load with full fuel 938lbs....

What jet could do this? A CJ3? Or a CJ4? Others?

Yeah that's big. I don't think a CJ3 could do it. Maybe a CJ4. Just depends on the winds higher up. But a CJ4 "doing it" would require a lot more gas.