Mike, B&CA doesn't directly survey owners. It's right there in the methodology pages--the same pages that would have kept you from calling the results "fake" and suggesting that anybody who believed them "lacked basic mathematical and logical skills."

B&CA hires ARG/US--Aviation Market Research and Consulting. They do the surveying for them. And yes indeed, I'm regularly called.

Enough said on this issue.

Ken

You are the first to tell me they have been surveyed. Was this all in relation to jets or other aircraft as well?

Do you have a copy of any of the surveys? I'd be curious what data they asked for.

Perhaps the NBAA membership roll is used to select survey targets. If so, there's bound to be some bias introduced by that.

Mike C.

Yeah, pretty meaningless.

Planes cost what they cost, not what some report claim they cost.

Your best bet is to find someone who is operating the same kind of plane, the same kind of way, in the same part of the country as you. Then compare notes and see if they account for things the same way you do.

Mike C.

Sometimes people make polite offers that are expected to be refused politely.

Is this one of those?

Otherwise there is a very real chance I will take you up on this.

Mike C.

Sometimes people make polite offers that are expected to be refused politely.

Is this one of those?

Otherwise there is a very real chance I will take you up on this.

Mike C.

Don't want in this dog fight. I will start my 501 SP type rating and check ride cost agreed to for week after next

9,995.00. 3 days ground school
1 day 1/2 ground school
And 3 hours flying in own plane or rented plane at additiional cost
Last day 1/2 oral exam and 1.5-2 hrs flying
Additional cost for FAA examiner at 2,500-3,000 k

So 10K + 3K + own plane and fuel cost OR rented plane wet cost.

I am using my own and just fuel cost and all else I am guessing 18K

I will know exact in 3 -4 weeks

If you know where I can do it for less Please advise

I do know I can do ALL sim for 13-14K. But I prefer my own plane

I'll give you another out. I can't do it this weekend, got to fly to Muncie this Saturday for a meeting. So this event can't happen this coming weekend.

If the dates are firm, I have to decline. If you can delay it a week (May 4-6) or two (May 11-13), I'm in to try and see if we can do a 3 day type rating course. I can be somewhat more flexible on the dates as well, doesn't have to be Fri-Sun necessarily. I am willing to risk $5-7K on that.

To help this along, say aircraft type (501SP?), avionics (old, 530, GTN?), and base of operations?

Mike C.

I'll give you another out. I can't do it this weekend, got to fly to Muncie this Saturday for a meeting. So this event can't happen this coming weekend.

If the dates are firm, I have to decline. If you can delay it a week (May 4-6) or two (May 11-13), I'm in to try and see if we can do a 3 day type rating course. I can be somewhat more flexible on the dates as well, doesn't have to be Fri-Sun necessarily. I am willing to risk $5-7K on that.

To help this along, say aircraft type (501SP?), avionics (old, 530, GTN?), and base of operations?

Mike C.

Okay, you are on. May 4-6.


It is acceptable for me to fail. The worst outcome is I spent some money and learned something.


All I'll need is to be able to tune a VOR and an ILS, one would think.

Honestly, this is better than, say, a GTN with which I have no experience. I don't want the avionics getting in the way.


Likewise.

Mike C.

I think you could make some money streaming this on BeechTalk. $9.99 gets you all access to the citation challenge. Order in the next 15 minutes and get a Coffee mug with Mike C face on it.

The phones will be dead quiet for 16 minutes.

I do have a recently acquired Virb camera (Mark Hangen envy?) so perhaps we can set this up...

Mike C.

Mike:

Everyone wants to do a PPV with you.

My only caveat is to see what your insurance company will require. My guess is they will want you to take a recurrent course using SIM after your type the aircraft. That will be a week, 8k plus travel. So it could cost you more to be typed and insured vs just going to an initial.


Hope for your sake I am wrong.

Yeah, but the question is if that is on the The Learning Channel or WWE Raw.


Yes, it may, but I will have both in airplane and in sim experience then.

If I am going for SPE, which seems likely, I have to get some in airplane experience to qualify for SPE training. So I can go to sim school with TC in hand, real airplane experience, do sim recurrent and sim SPE all at once.

Mike C.

Yeah, but the question is if that is on the The Learning Channel or WWE Raw.


Yes, it may, but I will have both in airplane and in sim experience then.

If I am going for SPE, which seems likely, I have to get some in airplane experience to qualify for SPE training. So I can go to sim school with TC in hand, real airplane experience, do sim recurrent and sim SPE all at once.

Mike C.

No, it doesn't, but the plane I buy has a good chance it will.

Present candidates are SII+FJ44, or V Ultra.

Possible I get 501SP+FJ44.

My understanding is that the type rating course can be done SP or crew and I would select SP.

Mike C.