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Post subject: Lithium Battery for the Lancair?? Posted: 13 Feb 2017, 11:13 |
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Joined: 05/05/09 Posts: 5312 Post Likes: +5299
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Yes or No.
Is saving 22lbs worth the risk of these? Is this a stable technology or is this the bleeding edge?
I've had good experience with Lithium RC batteries but you hear that random fire story once every few years; probably a LOW probability event.
Mike
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Post subject: Re: Lithium Battery for the Lancair?? Posted: 13 Feb 2017, 11:23 |
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Joined: 11/03/08 Posts: 16929 Post Likes: +28752 Location: Peachtree City GA / Stoke-On-Trent UK
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No Li for me
odyssey batteries are nearly as light and are proven in aircraft (super cubs, cessna 180 STC's, easy to install in others) and they were borne in severe vibration environments (snowmobiles etc)
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Post subject: Re: Lithium Battery for the Lancair?? Posted: 13 Feb 2017, 20:17 |
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Joined: 02/26/13 Posts: 1373 Post Likes: +442 Location: KSEF
Aircraft: Be-24 Beech Sierra
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I use Li in my in My rattle and shake Harley. Fantastic batteries and if I could they would be in my airplane as well. The old battery wouldn't hold a charge for 3 weeks, the Li I got holds a charge for two months, there is a drain somewhere maybe the HD clock but it doesn't seem to affect the Li batt. And its as light as air. I thought they sent me an empty display demo casing it was so light.
Long ago I replaced the old corroded alum batt box with a new self fabricated unit, I am reasonably sure that if there is a fire the new metal box will be able to handle it. In a plastic airplane I would almost deem a strong metal box to be essential. Any good welder can fabricate a battery case for you with the requisite vents. I'd go SS if I had a plastic airplane. Better to cary an extra 5 pounds than to have worries about fire. Again I would have a strong metal battery box regardless if its LI or LeCid,
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Post subject: Re: Lithium Battery for the Lancair?? Posted: 13 Feb 2017, 21:51 |
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Joined: 08/14/13 Posts: 6410 Post Likes: +5147
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Max, a metal bracket isn't going to help you with a lithium ion fire- not much will https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uex_O2TtTDwAround 10:45 mark Comparing a motorcycle to an airplane, with regards to batteries, is a bit off, pressurization cycles and temp fluctuations to name a few key points- I have seen some failures of the earthx batteries in the auto world, but a few vans guys use and enjoy them
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Post subject: Re: Lithium Battery for the Lancair?? Posted: 13 Feb 2017, 22:40 |
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Joined: 12/01/12 Posts: 509 Post Likes: +408 Company: Minnesota Flight
Aircraft: M20M,PA28,PA18,CE500
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Not worth it. Think of the altitudes you will be at and how long it would take you to get on the ground if there is an issue.
Also I think you did the AC where the condenser is mounted in the baggage area? Lightening the plane is good. But do a W&B. Taking any more weight off the nose isn't going to help you. Unless you do the light weight rudder at the same time. Which last I heard was about $9000 alone. The Lancair doesn't fly well as the CG moves aft as I'm sure you have found. Also you and the wife with baggage aren't going to notice any performance difference by removing 20#.
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Post subject: Re: Lithium Battery for the Lancair?? Posted: 14 Feb 2017, 17:27 |
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Joined: 11/22/12 Posts: 2932 Post Likes: +2909 Company: Retired Location: Lynnwood, WA (KPAE)
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They're in over 500 787s now with no problems since the fix. How many plane-hours do you need before you feel comfortable?
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Post subject: Re: Lithium Battery for the Lancair?? Posted: 14 Feb 2017, 18:53 |
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Joined: 11/06/13 Posts: 426 Post Likes: +260 Location: KFTW-Fort Worth Meacham
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NOVA on PBS just did a show on batteries. A large part of the episode focused on the dangers of lithium ion batteries. After watching the fires from the lithium batteries, I would not want one on an airplane with me.
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Post subject: Re: Lithium Battery for the Lancair?? Posted: 14 Feb 2017, 20:13 |
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Joined: 01/01/11 Posts: 964 Post Likes: +599 Company: Well, it's UA now Location: Houston, TX
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Username Protected wrote: They're in over 500 787s now with no problems since the fix. How many plane-hours do you need before you feel comfortable? Well, now in all honesty, part of the 787 battery fix was to install a big(ger), heavier metal box for the battery to live in as well as various vents and monitoring for said battery. It was not an easy, cheap, just change the battery fix by any means. And back to the monitoring issue, I thought that Li, NiCad and such type batteries needed a battery charging controller to control the charge rate and battery internal temp. Not just hook them up to the battery cables and you are good to go. Maybe just for the big batteries that the airlines have to deal with, I don't know about the smaller ones?
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Post subject: Re: Lithium Battery for the Lancair?? Posted: 14 Feb 2017, 20:33 |
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Joined: 11/22/12 Posts: 2932 Post Likes: +2909 Company: Retired Location: Lynnwood, WA (KPAE)
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Username Protected wrote: They're in over 500 787s now with no problems since the fix. How many plane-hours do you need before you feel comfortable? Well, now in all honesty, part of the 787 battery fix was to install a big(ger), heavier metal box for the battery to live in as well as various vents and monitoring for said battery. It was not an easy, cheap, just change the battery fix by any means. Didn't say it was, but they haven't had a problem since. My question remains, how long must they be proven in use before you feel comfortable? I know there are still curmudgeons on this list that don't trust them new-fangled plastic airplanes, grumble, grumble...
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Post subject: Re: Lithium Battery for the Lancair?? Posted: 14 Feb 2017, 20:40 |
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Joined: 11/08/12 Posts: 12835 Post Likes: +5276 Location: Jackson, MS (KHKS)
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Username Protected wrote: My question remains, how long must they be proven in use before you feel comfortable?. "Lithium battery" isn't a generic thing. Lots of different chemistries, controllers, etc. Do I feel safe on a 787, yes Do I want some random lithium battery in my plane, no. Do I envision ever feeling happy about using that technology to fix something that really isn't a problem, no.
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