Do you need HF radio for a direct flight on L455?

I just spent the last six months looking for a 441 for a customer. There are only a few on the market that are "good" airplanes. I've talked to every one listed on controller that had less than 10k hours on them, physically looked four of them.

The good airplanes ae selling very quick. By good, I mean little damage history, owner can find the logs, descent maintenance, SIDS done, and ethical broker and/or seller. The highest priced 441 listed on Controller is a beautiful looking airplane, very well equipped, , but recently had a severely hard landing and is missing logs except for the last 15 years, despite the add. The broker says the pilot has them, the FBO that bought and imported the airplane said the logs do not exist.

One owner raised his price $100k three to four months after listing it. It's still listed on Controller. Our selection is going to prebuy this week. We fired the broker mid-sale due to some ethical issues. It was unlisted. We made offers on three before we found this one. Our last offer was for a decent airframe, but they would not accept our price. Fortunately, we think we found a much better aircraft at a similar price.

Two good 441's were sold before we could put an offer on them.

Hands down, the best 441 on the market is the purple trimmed one that Jerry Griffith just listed. I looked at it prior to listing. It's s true cream puff, and is the OCD owners baby. The logs are a work of art. I don't know what he's asking for it now, but it's as close to a new 441 as you can buy.

I don't know anything about Jerry Griffith, but he seems to have a good following in that market. He was very good to work with on the aircraft that we wanted that he accepted an offer on the day before we were going to submit ours.

Jason

You'll hear a lot of answers to that question, and many people will say you just need a sat phone, regulations aside. I went directly to the FAA and asked someone in authority at New York Oceanic to find out.

According to them, the regulations require that you have TWO HF radios to fly that route. They will, on a case by case basis, approve a sat phone as a replacement for the second HF radio but you must formally request it and receive written approval.

I haven't done the flight yet, but I'm installing a Bendix KHF 950 and a GSR 56 to meet those requirements.

Nathan

Not for my 1650 nm mission.

An RVSM MU2 would need a fuel stop.

A non RVSM 441 would likely need a fuel stop at least west bound.

An RVSM 441 would likely not need a fuel stop either direction.

RVSM changes the game. It also gives you more altitudes to avoid weather and icing.

Mike C.

http://www.controller.com/listings/airc ... onquest-ii

I never understand why listings don't have an asking price. Seems like it wastes time all around.

Mike C.

http://www.controller.com/listings/airc ... onquest-ii

I never understand why listings don't have an asking price. Seems like it wastes time all around.

Mike C.

http://www.controller.com/listings/airc ... onquest-ii

I never understand why listings don't have an asking price. Seems like it wastes time all around.

Mike C.

I'll add that C441's have come down a lot in the last five years. When I was shopping they were double what nice Merlin's were selling for.

It will be interesting to see if this trend continues. National Flight, who is located on my home field, tells me that the parts game is getting to be quite a challenge. There was a part they were trying to find for a II that was in their shop not long ago. Cessna told them it would be 12+ months before they could get them the part. Their suggestion was to tell them to wait for a salvage a/c to come available to get the part. I don't recall what the part was but it's clear that Cessna doesn't want these birds around anymore...

Yup. They make entry level jets look bad, and Cessna feels every Conquest owner is a lost jet sale.

I expect the legacy Citations will be next on Cessna's hit list.

Mike C.

You'll hear a lot of answers to that question, and many people will say you just need a sat phone, regulations aside. I went directly to the FAA and asked someone in authority at New York Oceanic to find out.

According to them, the regulations require that you have TWO HF radios to fly that route. They will, on a case by case basis, approve a sat phone as a replacement for the second HF radio but you must formally request it and receive written approval.

I haven't done the flight yet, but I'm installing a Bendix KHF 950 and a GSR 56 to meet those requirements.

Nathan

Yes.
He was very clear: (1) Two HF radios are required; (2) You can obtain a waiver for substituting a sat phone for one of the HF radios, but you must apply and receive it explicitly.

I know many people are only flying with one HF radio, but the regulations (and New York Oceanic) are very clear about the requirement.

Nathan

Some HF and LRCS reading:

http://www.code7700.com/hf_requirement.html

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/med ... 91-70A.pdf

Some pilots use a portable HF setup. Some places rent this.

Mike C.

My suspicion would be that it is several times that...

I think this is where this is coming from:

http://www.code7700.com/pdfs/faa_mmel_pl-106%20rev5.pdf

Here is do discussion and some references:

http://www.code7700.com/hf_requirement.html#references

It appears to address MEL requirements.