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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang?  Posted: 01 Feb 2017, 23:56 |
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Looking at a Phenom 100 Friday..........I'll give a pirep after I see the plane.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 02 Feb 2017, 02:19 |
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The only Phenom worth buying over a TBM would be a Phenom 300. Username Protected wrote: Looking at a Phenom 100 Friday..........I'll give a pirep after I see the plane.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 02 Feb 2017, 06:56 |
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Michael, Look forward to the pirep. Concerns; real world range, FF different altitudes and ISA temps, speeds and useful.  to name a few.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 02 Feb 2017, 10:10 |
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Marc.......... I tend to agree. Still worth a look. I flew right seat in one probably 7 years ago. I don't remember much about it. We did fly back from Las Vegas. That's pretty good range. But obviously that's coming east with a tailwind.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 02 Feb 2017, 20:06 |
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I saw the phenom 100 today. Just on the ramp. I'm at a conference working all weekend. Pilot is available to take my wife up for a demo tomorrow. It sure is pretty just sitting on the ramp!!
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 02 Feb 2017, 20:45 |
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Username Protected wrote: The only Phenom worth buying over a TBM would be a Phenom 300.
Not if u have broad shoulders, land on long runways and don't mind some extra gas and ramp fees. Oh, and a lot more money for initial checkout. The TBM appears to only go fast and far at pulled back power settings. By far, I mean materially farther than a 100. TBM is a cool plane but the cabin feels tiny vs the 100. Jet also has two engines and FadEc; right? The Honda jet engines were easier to manage than a 172. I assume 100 is the same. Pt6 is more workload. Flame away!
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 02 Feb 2017, 20:56 |
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Biggest issue that I see with the Phenom is the build quality. The interior feels cheap compared to the competition. Ever carry a woman with high heels in a Phenom and then lift the carpet and padding to see the floorboards? All punctured, everywhere her shoe heel was. Don't believe me? Call a shop that maintains them (not Embraer). Never mind very serious questions about the braking ability...
If I was looking at a Phenom, I'd strongly consider a CJ series first. Embraer knows how to build airliners, not so much corporate jets. The later Legacy series (450, 500, 650) are a lot more refined and worth a look, if that's the class of aircraft you're looking at.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 02 Feb 2017, 20:57 |
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Username Protected wrote: I saw the phenom 100 today. Just on the ramp. I'm at a conference working all weekend. Pilot is available to take my wife up for a demo tomorrow. It sure is pretty just sitting on the ramp!! Dude, Wife going for the demo flight!  You might as well just go buy one...
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 02 Feb 2017, 22:01 |
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Username Protected wrote: I saw the phenom 100 today. Just on the ramp. I'm at a conference working all weekend. Pilot is available to take my wife up for a demo tomorrow. It sure is pretty just sitting on the ramp!! Dude, Wife going for the demo flight! You might as well just go buy one...
No kidding! After letting my wife sit in a PC 12 it cost me a lot to get her in a lowly TBM...be careful!
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 03 Feb 2017, 01:38 |
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Username Protected wrote: are you saying if you fly part 91 you can fly past TBO on your king air?...I believe on the TBM you are mandated to complete the overhaul at TBO. Who mandates that? Part 91.409(e) applies only to multiengine turboprops, not a SE turboprop like the TBM.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 03 Feb 2017, 02:25 |
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Username Protected wrote: are you saying if you fly part 91 you can fly past TBO on your king air?...I believe on the TBM you are mandated to complete the overhaul at TBO. Who mandates that? Part 91.409(e) applies only to multiengine turboprops, not a SE turboprop like the TBM.
Socata put the TBO requirement in I think the Limitations section of the AFM to make it mandatory.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 03 Feb 2017, 10:11 |
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Username Protected wrote: Socata put the TBO requirement in I think the Limitations section of the AFM to make it mandatory. I'd be interested to see the actual language of that requirement. If Socata can make the entire engine be "life limited", that's something new. To my knowledge, there is no FAA rule for part 91 that ever requires something be overhauled (restore service life). This is different than inspected (check for airworthiness). Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 03 Feb 2017, 14:04 |
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Username Protected wrote: Socata put the TBO requirement in I think the Limitations section of the AFM to make it mandatory. I'd be interested to see the actual language of that requirement. If Socata can make the entire engine be "life limited", that's something new. To my knowledge, there is no FAA rule for part 91 that ever requires something be overhauled (restore service life). This is different than inspected (check for airworthiness). Mike C.
Robinson did it with their helicopters.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 03 Feb 2017, 14:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: To my knowledge, there is no FAA rule for part 91 that ever requires something be overhauled (restore service life). This is different than inspected (check for airworthiness). Robinson did it with their helicopters.
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Post subject: Re: TBM 850, Phenom 100 or Cessna Mustang? Posted: 03 Feb 2017, 16:07 |
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Not true.
Part 91 in the US on SE turbine you don't need to follow any TBO requirements.
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