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Post subject: Re: Cirrus reports strongest start in 8 years Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 12:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: Dean - rent a capable family plane on go on a few trips before you buy. I hope your family loves the experience; I wish mine did.
They'll go on occasion, but it's far less than I originally imagined. Same here. "Why go in your noisy plane when we can fly United?"
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus reports strongest start in 8 years Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 19:26 |
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Joined: 07/02/13 Posts: 3161 Post Likes: +3090 Location: Stamping Ground, Ky
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Username Protected wrote: 875k may be cheap for a turbine, but that kind of cheap won't bring the upper middle class back to aviation. I went to lunch by myself at a mid range restaurant yesterday and it was $30 with tip. I think a lot of folks don't realize how expensive everything is nowadays even compared to just 10 years ago.
That's funny, I went to lunch by myself at a great restaurant the other day, cost 18$ with tip. If you want to find expensive, you can...
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus reports strongest start in 8 years Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 19:31 |
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Username Protected wrote: Get a pressurized plane of some variety. Passengers become really happy. I never carried a single person in my Malibu who didn't prefer it over an airline. Even at an average groundspeed of 192 knots we beat the airlines almost all the time to destinations all over the US.
Better yet, get an old turbine and then you will have some REaLLY happy passengers! Or buy a GIV...they'll be thrilled!
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus reports strongest start in 8 years Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 19:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: Dean - rent a capable family plane on go on a few trips before you buy. I hope your family loves the experience; I wish mine did.
They'll go on occasion, but it's far less than I originally imagined. If you flew them in a Bonanza they'd go all the time 
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus reports strongest start in 8 years Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 19:45 |
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Username Protected wrote: Get a pressurized plane of some variety. Passengers become really happy. I never carried a single person in my Malibu who didn't prefer it over an airline. Even at an average groundspeed of 192 knots we beat the airlines almost all the time to destinations all over the US.
Better yet, get an old turbine and then you will have some REaLLY happy passengers! Does make a difference. My wife hates to fly, always will hate to fly, but loves going places. She was fairly terrified of the car-like piston aircraft including the Cirrus. She really hates to be able to see out all the windows at the same time, especially when IMC. There is probably some comfort in thinking that maybe the pilot sees something out the window  In the PA46 she much happier. Sits in the back, pulls down the shades, pulls out her computer and I guess pretends she is somewhere that is not twenty something thousand feet in the air. As pilots, I think sometimes we like to transfer our desires to our passengers. We would love big windows, maybe even an open cockpit catching bugs with our teeth, but that is not most passengers. Look on an airliner the number of people that close their widow shades at the first opportunity.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus reports strongest start in 8 years Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 20:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: Dean - rent a capable family plane on go on a few trips before you buy. I hope your family loves the experience; I wish mine did.
They'll go on occasion, but it's far less than I originally imagined. Same here. "Why go in your noisy plane when we can fly United?"
Thanks, guys. I'll for sure fly them around before buying anything, although there's not much in the local rental market that's in the 650lbs of people plus bags and fuel category, so it might be 1 or 2 at a time. We're all pretty sure everyone is going to like it though.
We're an airline family (although not Flight Ops) so we get plenty of big tube time. We're thinking of our own plane as the ultimate back-yard expander.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus reports strongest start in 8 years Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 20:50 |
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Username Protected wrote: Does make a difference. My wife hates to fly, always will hate to fly, but loves going places. She was fairly terrified of the car-like piston aircraft including the Cirrus. She really hates to be able to see out all the windows at the same time, especially when IMC. There is probably some comfort in thinking that maybe the pilot sees something out the window  In the PA46 she much happier. Sits in the back, pulls down the shades, pulls out her computer and I guess pretends she is somewhere that is not twenty something thousand feet in the air. As pilots, I think sometimes we like to transfer our desires to our passengers. We would love big windows, maybe even an open cockpit catching bugs with our teeth, but that is not most passengers. Look on an airliner the number of people that close their widow shades at the first opportunity. Boy is this the truth! I want to replace the airlines. My wife doesn't mind them and points out 1st class is cheaper than flying. Her minimal requirement is a potty, speed and comfortable cabin. She specifically requests window shades and vetoed the Vision jet because of the windows.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus reports strongest start in 8 years Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 21:05 |
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Username Protected wrote: Boy is this the truth! I want to replace the airlines. My wife doesn't mind them and points out 1st class is cheaper than flying. Her minimal requirement is a potty, speed and comfortable cabin. She specifically requests window shades and vetoed the Vision jet because of the windows.
I think that was a big overlook in the Vision jet designers, the sun up in the twenties is brutal, especially if there is a white undercast. Half of the atmosphere that filters the intense sun is below 18,000 feet. Maybe they will have some pull down shades in the later production models once they get some feedback.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus reports strongest start in 8 years Posted: 17 Aug 2016, 21:20 |
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Username Protected wrote: Does make a difference. My wife hates to fly, always will hate to fly, but loves going places. She was fairly terrified of the car-like piston aircraft including the Cirrus. She really hates to be able to see out all the windows at the same time, especially when IMC. There is probably some comfort in thinking that maybe the pilot sees something out the window  In the PA46 she much happier. Sits in the back, pulls down the shades, pulls out her computer and I guess pretends she is somewhere that is not twenty something thousand feet in the air. As pilots, I think sometimes we like to transfer our desires to our passengers. We would love big windows, maybe even an open cockpit catching bugs with our teeth, but that is not most passengers. Look on an airliner the number of people that close their widow shades at the first opportunity. Boy is this the truth! I want to replace the airlines. My wife doesn't mind them and points out 1st class is cheaper than flying. Her minimal requirement is a potty, speed and comfortable cabin. She specifically requests window shades and vetoed the Vision jet because of the windows.
Tony, I have replaced the airlines. Believe it or not this past year from nj to Denver with me and 2 others the direct costs in my Eclipse was less than coach on united.
My wife sits in back reading a book and the dog sleeps. When people ask her if she is afraid she tells them that she reads a book just like the airlines.
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