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 Post subject: Least Expensive 300+ KTAS Airplane
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The threads on the Eclipse, C500 series and others about the TBM, PC12, Cirrus VJ and others has me wondering what the least expensive option is for a 300 KTAS or more airplane. Obviously, you need parameters so, how about:

1. Capable of carrying at least 4 people
2. Operating costs includes all required maintenance and fuel.
3. Capital cost is included at 6%.
4. You could pick any use profile but how about assuming 100 hours per year.

What's the best bang for the buck in this class?


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Probably MU-2 if you can rationalize the risks.

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The MU2 if you can get past the myths about risks.


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MU2 is a good value. Buy the right one.

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You can get a very nice MU2 Marquise for the lowest money of the list you proposed.

Any of the aircraft listed would required special training for Insurance purposes anyway..


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Can you really do 300 KTAS in a MU2?

Realistically guys if your flying privately and only 100 hrs a year, I wouldnt buy a MU2.

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Can you really do 300 KTAS in a MU2?


You are asking this on a site full of 180knot Bonanza owners? :lol:

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Can you really do 300 KTAS in a MU2?


You are asking this on a site full of 180knot Bonanza owners? :lol:


Yea, we're a bunch of low-life idiots and dreamers. :)
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You are asking this on a site full of 180knot Bonanza owners? :lol:


Yea, we're a bunch of low-life idiots and dreamers. :)


I think TR was referring to how we talk to Mooney owners - - "Of course I do 180 KTAS on 12 GPH, don't you?"
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Well, I know I'm a dreamer. And am starting to understand an idiot too. :) I reckon we're all low-life's around these parts ;)

Yea I know TR was making a joke. I was too :peace:

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Can you really do 300 KTAS in a MU2?

Realistically guys if your flying privately and only 100 hrs a year, I wouldnt buy a MU2.


From a proficiency standpoint there is some concern, but from a cost standpoint a pilot who only flies 100 hours per year is likely better off in the MU-2 versus a SETP. The fuel burn is higher in the MU-2, but the cost of capital is higher for the SETP. So all-in cost to operate for N hours/year will favor the twin for low values of N and the single for high values.


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Can you really do 300 KTAS in a MU2?

Yep, I do it almost every time I fly. I lose a few knots (295-ish) in the hot summer at high altitudes and heavy weights. But was doing 310-315 yesterday coming back from KJAC at FL200, roughly ISA at altitude. :)

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Realistically guys if your flying privately and only 100 hrs a year, I wouldnt buy a MU2.

It's exactly what I do. Works out great for me. Low capital cost keeps the total annual cost more affordable than having a high capital cost but more efficient SETP like the TBM.

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The MU2 is cool - I would love to zip around in one :pilot:

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