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Production forecast to stop in 2027:

Most of my business trips to Europe when I was working were on 767's. My employer would pay for Business Class and TWA had a combined Business/First that was pretty nice.


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Production forecast to stop in 2027:

Most of my business trips to Europe when I was working were on 767's. My employer would pay for Business Class and TWA had a combined Business/First that was pretty nice.


It's a great airplane that will soldier on for years, especially as a freighter.


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About 49 yrs of production....

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“It was only in May that Congress granted Boeing a lifeline on its 767 planes. Under new carbon emissions standards, Boeing was already looking at ending production of the 767 freighter in 2027.

As part of the FAA Reauthorization Act passed by Congress and signed into law in May by President Joe Biden, the 767 freighter received a five-year exemption from the new emissions standards.“


Emission standards will never make things cheaper.


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An amazing airplane that still continues to produce. 14 years flying it and I can't find anything not to like.

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A long time ago I read about a small airline (maybe Icelandair?) that had a pair of 767's for their main routes to the US. After the first decade of operation, both planes had averaged over 18 hours a day in flight. Over 65,000 flight hours each in a decade.

That just amazed me. This means less than 6 hours a day on average spent on the ground for all turn arounds (fueling, cleaning, loading), routine and heavy maintenance (including phase checks, which would be large blocks of time), etc. over ten years.

At the time it was a record utilization for any airliner, which is why AW&ST was reporting on it. I wonder if the record still stands....

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A long time ago I read about a small airline (maybe Icelandair?) that had a pair of 767's for their main routes to the US. After the first decade of operation, both planes had averaged over 18 hours a day in flight. Over 65,000 flight hours each in a decade.


That's average times on the older ones that I fly. I seen one the other day with 88,000 hours on it. The funny part is, for the most part, other than a few small differences, it looks and flies like a new airplane.

Our 767's on international routes rarely ever sit. They will do six legs half-way around the world, two to three hour turns after each leg, returning to base 48 hours later, rinse and repeat. They rarely break and rarely see deferrals on them.

Rick was probably flying the same airplanes when I was just learning to fly!


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Same situation for the 75?

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It really is an amazing plane. They are still making the KC-46 Pegasus and, I think, a freighter. They stopped making passenger versions a number of years ago.

A bit off topic, but it's a shame they stopped making the 757. It was (is) the coolest narrow-body airliner ever made. If they kept producing it, Boeing never would have had to over-engineer the 737 into the MAX versions. The 767 can be replaced, but the 757 hasn't been, at least yet.

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It really is an amazing plane. They are still making the KC-46 Pegasus and, I think, a freighter. They stopped making passenger versions a number of years ago.

A bit off topic, but it's a shame they stopped making the 757. It was (is) the coolest narrow-body airliner ever made. If they kept producing it, Boeing never would have had to over-engineer the 737 into the MAX versions. The 767 can be replaced, but the 757 hasn't been, at least yet.


I had to do KJAC to KATL recently and adjusted my trip to find a way to go Delta on the Non-stop (I also turned left…(at my own expense to avoid the EBITDA police)).

That plane makes me happy.

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It really is an amazing plane. They are still making the KC-46 Pegasus and, I think, a freighter. They stopped making passenger versions a number of years ago.

A bit off topic, but it's a shame they stopped making the 757. It was (is) the coolest narrow-body airliner ever made. If they kept producing it, Boeing never would have had to over-engineer the 737 into the MAX versions. The 767 can be replaced, but the 757 hasn't been, at least yet.

The 757 was too expensive compared to the A320, so the orders disappeared. It is a great plane, but they didn’t have a choice but to get a new plane. Or do what they did and try to extend the 737 into something it was never meant to be.

Surprising airlines still order a plane from the 1960s.


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757 Burns something like 1 million bucks a year in fuel more than a 737-900ER, per plane. Of course the ER does not have anything close to the range. Now that the A321XLR is coming with 5000 mile range, the 757s are going away.
These 757 767s were designed in something like 1979 and they were flying by 1981 and 1982, What a fantastic life span that is it shows you how good of a design it was.

There were lots of good exciting planes, 747-200, Concorde, but in the end, fuel efficiency wins, everything now is boring and slow.


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I flew on a 767 as a passenger on a flight to Europe. Before we pushed back, I was looking at the left engine from my window seat thinking "I'm not very comfortable crossing the Atlantic on only two engines." :D

Great airplane. If emissions is the problem, why can't they just re-engine it? It seems to be a better airplane than what Boeing is building now.


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I flew on a 767 as a passenger on a flight to Europe. Before we pushed back, I was looking at the left engine from my window seat thinking "I'm not very comfortable crossing the Atlantic on only two engines." :D


It'll do just fine on one. I know of a four hour ETOPS flights on one engine.


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