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 Post subject: ADS-B Out NON-COMPLIANCE
PostPosted: 08 Apr 2019, 13:19 
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The FAA has clarified what their policy will be regarding operation of non-ADS-B Out equipped aircraft after Jan 1 2020. There will be an option for approval from ATC to operate without ADS-B Out on a case by case basis.

BUT!!!

This will be limited to operators who have the work scheduled but not completed.

"The policy is very clear: these per-flight authorizations should absolutely not be viewed as a backup option to ADS-B or justification for not equipping," said Heidi Williams, NBAA director, air traffic services and infrastructure. "Such authorizations are primarily intended for operators awaiting their scheduled ADS-B installation past the Jan. 1, 2020, deadline.”

Read the full article here https://nbaa.org/aircraft-operations/co ... -airspace/

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 Post subject: Re: ADS-B Out NON-COMPLIANCE
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Chip, you're snipping Ms. Williams quote a little short. That last sentence of her statement in that article was:
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Such authorizations are primarily intended for operators awaiting their scheduled ADS-B installation past the Jan. 1, 2020, deadline, or for pilots who infrequently operate in the affected airspace.”


With the possible exception of flight above 10,000 msl, I haven't been in ADS-B rule space for nearly two years. If I exclude that one Class C visit, it probably goes back more than 7 years. I think that my use of this ADS-B equipage exception will be well justified.

On the other hand, if I had to use this exception on a more regular basis I think I would just find some avionics shop willing to schedule me an installation sometime in, say, 2030.

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 Post subject: Re: ADS-B Out NON-COMPLIANCE
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Very true!

I'm always guilty, and I apologize, for thinking of everything from a turbine perspective.

The reality is that the cost and ease of doing smaller aircraft shouldn't prevent anyone from doing it. In the jet world some of these installs are $100's of Thousands of dollars and based on the aircraft value can be a real concern, many have (or have to) put it off until the last minute, now physically getting it done may be an issue.

It is my hope that anyone who can get it done for $3k - $5k will get it done!

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Anybody k ow if there is a solution yet for the Eclipse?

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Anybody k ow if there is a solution yet for the Eclipse?

A friend of mine has one, I’ll find out!

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 Post subject: Re: ADS-B Out NON-COMPLIANCE
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Anybody k ow if there is a solution yet for the Eclipse?

A friend of mine has one, I’ll find out!


Lance says there's a simple Garmin solution, his is already done.
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Thanks Chip

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We're upgrading to ADS-B now. With all the thread drift on here, does anyone recall where the options were discussed and what the value of our 327 boxes might be?

Thanks,

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Thanks Brock. There was a thread on two options and what would happen to old transponders, but I couldn't find it.

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On the other hand, if I had to use this exception on a more regular basis I think I would just find some avionics shop willing to schedule me an installation sometime in, say, 2030.[/quote]

That shouldn’t be that hard to find. A reputable avionics shop that would intentionally deceive the FAA to help you out. :scratch: On the other hand, if your statement should have been in green....... sorry, mine too. :peace:


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