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Post subject: Let's Talk 195s Posted: 25 Mar 2017, 08:21 |
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On another posting it was mentioned that the "Business Liner" has the rap of being a groundlooper. Can you elaborate? I've some 195 time and it seemed pretty tame to me but I'll admit I've only flown them off grass. I saw pictures of the freshly rebuilt one with the loner cowel that had the broken gear. The reason I ask is that I've volunteered to "possibly" help a guy get his TW endorsement in one as it is moved from point a to b. Wanna enlighten me on what a "tiger by the tail" situation I could be in, and is the gear the weak link on these old airplanes?
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Post subject: Re: Let's Talk 195s Posted: 25 Mar 2017, 08:24 |
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Joined: 12/13/07 Posts: 2674 Post Likes: +3026 Location: DFW, TX (KGKY)
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Username Protected wrote: On another posting it was mentioned that the "Business Liner" has the rap of being a groundlooper. Can you elaborate? I've some 195 time and it seemed pretty tame to me but I'll admit I've only flown them off grass. I saw pictures of the freshly rebuilt one with the loner cowel that had the broken gear. The reason I ask is that I've volunteered to "possibly" help a guy get his TW endorsement in one as it is moved from point a to b. Wanna enlighten me on what a "tiger by the tail" situation I could be in, and is the gear the weak link on these old airplanes? You'll want to speak with Mr Auburn Pearman. You're about to get busy.
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Post subject: Re: Let's Talk 195s Posted: 25 Mar 2017, 08:30 |
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Joined: 03/17/08 Posts: 6605 Post Likes: +14785 Location: KMCW
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On the grass it's a pussycat. On the pavement it's a tiger. Part of it has to do with the spring year. Part of it has to do with the fact that when the tail goes down your field of vision is from 10 to 11:30. I have several hundred hours and them and I never got comfortable at night.
With all that said it is a fantastic airplane and I miss mine terribly comma but never take it for granted. You can be going down the runway straight as a string and one tire will hit a rock the size of a pea, and that gear like will star wobbling and for a few hundred milliseconds your hands are full. If you do all the right things it's over in a heartbeat. If you do the wrong things you will ball it up.
Have fun!!!!
_________________ Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal MCW Be Nice, Kind, I don't care, be something, just don't be a jerk ;-)
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Post subject: Re: Let's Talk 195s Posted: 25 Mar 2017, 08:32 |
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Oh yes, if it has Goodyear brakes make sure all the clips are in. And if it has Cleveland brakes make sure not to get on them too hard. Either one will be the beginning of a bad day. I've never flown one with crosswind gear, but I understand it could be a lifesaver.
_________________ Tailwinds, Doug Rozendaal MCW Be Nice, Kind, I don't care, be something, just don't be a jerk ;-)
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Post subject: Re: Let's Talk 195s Posted: 25 Mar 2017, 08:37 |
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I've got a few hours in one with the crosswind gear. I flew it off pavement and it didn't seem to do anything funky. Nice flying airplane and a lot faster than it looks, like 145kts or so I believe.
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Post subject: Re: Let's Talk 195s Posted: 25 Mar 2017, 09:25 |
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My friend, who bought his 195 years ago, told me that his insurance company required him to get CFI to check him out. He never found one and decided it was his airplane and would fly it home. I do appreciate all the advice because I'm only one landing away from "those who will".
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Post subject: Re: Let's Talk 195s Posted: 25 Mar 2017, 10:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: On another posting it was mentioned that the "Business Liner" has the rap of being a groundlooper. Can you elaborate? I've some 195 time and it seemed pretty tame to me but I'll admit I've only flown them off grass. I saw pictures of the freshly rebuilt one with the loner cowel that had the broken gear. The reason I ask is that I've volunteered to "possibly" help a guy get his TW endorsement in one as it is moved from point a to b. Wanna enlighten me on what a "tiger by the tail" situation I could be in, and is the gear the weak link on these old airplanes? The skill set to fly a 195 is not any different than any other tail dragger. If you can fly a tailwheel transition should not be difficult. It all about learning what normal for a 195 IS!
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Post subject: Re: Let's Talk 195s Posted: 25 Mar 2017, 10:36 |
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Username Protected wrote: I took their cash and cautioned them to get instruction any way. 3 Days later it was ground looped with an instructor in the right seat. They took your advice and look how it turned out. Oh well. There's not much an instructor can do, really, in this situation. It can go from "fine" to "gone" in milliseconds and fighting both the airplane and the student is tough. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Let's Talk 195s Posted: 25 Mar 2017, 11:46 |
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Username Protected wrote: What does "straight or crosswind gear" mean? Crosswind gear allows the main wheels to pivot so they can roll straight down the runway while the airplane flies sideways. Attachment: instagram-digest-20140704-2.jpg Straight gear is locked in orientation, aligned with the airplane. Crosswind gear has benefits and drawbacks. Benefits are landing in a crosswind, the main wheel can align with the runway and makes it easier, less ground loop potential. Drawbacks are heavier, more complicated, more failure modes, taxiing can be weird if wheels unlock when you don't want them to or disagree on angle, shimmy problems, wheels not aligned on touch down and create a momentary jerk, and other little problems. They have mostly fallen out of favor and are not used very often. That's because pilots who don't know how to land a taildragger in crosswinds now fly nose wheel airplanes and real taildragger pilots can handle a crosswind properly. Mike C.
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