These planes initial acquisition costs are similar. Book performance somewhat similar. Anyone have real world performance numbers and operating costs? Just flew in a Phenom 100 and was quite impressed.

My uncle ran a mixed fleet for a Fortune 100 company. Barons, TBM 700s, PC-12s, dabbled in MU2s, even bought an Eclipse when they first came out but they finally acquired 6x Phenom 100s to use as freighters before he retired. They have not bought anymore TBMs or PC-12s if that tells you anything. But their mission requires speed, and the Mustang and TBM can't match the Phenom.

I've been flying a Mustang for almost two years. I average 1.4hrs/flight. DOC runs $800/hr. Zero wind range is 1,200nm. TAS is 330-350kts. Great airplane. I couldn't be happier.

Clint.....just curious......why did you chose the mustang over the phenom?

Michael,

I'll run them and send to you. PM me your email and let me know how many hours per year you plan to fly, what you pay for Jet A and cost of hangar.

Phenom 100 by far. It may not have the range of the TBM but it is truly "cabin class" with a legitimate lavatory and it's a jet.

Prices being equal, pick the Phenom 100 by a mile.

Several reasons.
1. Lower acquisition price.
2. Lower maintenance costs.
3. Lower DOC
4. Shorter runway requirements
5. Citation service network.
6. Cessna Support.
7. Mustang service history.
8. I like the way it flies.

Michael,

I don't have anything to add to your own knowledge about TBM DOC's. My plane burns a little more fuel and goes a little faster than the 700 but that's about it.

I looked very hard at P100 and Mustang along with other light jets. I really like them both. I think Cessna's network can't be beat but the suitcase potty on a jet and the cabin don't compare to P100. Of course the P100's pricing doesn't compare to the Mustang's at the low end anyway.

I'll probably be there in a couple of years and lean to the P100. But I REALLY like the TBM 850. I'm seeing 312-315 TAS between 260 and 270. I'm flying 999 miles nonstop Thursday. It will take me 8 minutes longer in the TBM than a Mustang, or probably P100, but neither of those will make it non stop with the load in all likelihood.

Michael and Tony,

Cessna includes the pilots weight in the empty weight. Correct? Does Phenom? Don't believe so. I know Socata doesn't. My problem Michael with looking at either the Mustang or Phenom is the added speed is defeated because it does not have the range of the TBM. (I have the L850.)

If I'm moving up I want minimum 1300nm no wind with NBAA IFR reserves. Then the added speed makes a difference. That should allow my winter west bounds to work most days.

Truly interested in what you find with real numbers.

No doubt you make a good point on the TBM because I make the same point with my Pilatus. The difference is having the lav. I can go 1300NM without taking a leak but none of my passengers ever can. Girls don't want to pee in a bag. No, the Phenom 100 won't do 1300NM with nobody on board.

Like me, the jet you want is a CJ3, CJ4 or Phenom 300 to be an "upgrade" from the TBM.

The ramp presence of the Phenom 100 is "boom" and that airstair door just makes it. It's just a fantastic experience.

The potty on the PC 12 is a great asset. I had to promise my wife no flights over 3 hours in the TBM because of no potty. But she is quite comfortable otherwise. So, I bought this for emergencies and now no issues on slightly longer flights:

I really didn't think we'd be making that many longer trips but it seems we are.

Phenom 300 is sweet. So are the CJ3/CJ4. Unfortunately the acquisition costs are prohibitive. My milk runs are usually 1000nm or less. I'm having a hard time getting away from the TBM. Useful load and range are impressive. Not quite Pilatus range but my bladder is not that big anyway !

If the TBM and Phenom 100 are the same price, I would absolutely go Phenom 100. You can move around in it and you have a lav. Nobody with a Phenom 100 sells it to buy a TBM.

You can't comfortably fit enough people in the TBM to take advantage of the useful load. The cabin is too small.

I have researched this a ton, and if you want 1300nm with NBAA range, your options dwindle rapidly. The only 'cheap' jets I have found that do it are specific variants of the old citations with Williams conversion. CJ2ish performance for the price range you are discussing, though, you are flying an older plane which seems to matter a lot to many people (though engines are what you are flying in the newer models!).

Question for the TBM guys - can the 850 do 1300nm with reserves at high speed cruise? I have been told the only the only way to get that range is to pull the power way back and go 260ish on the cruise (PC12 speeds).

What is the Phenom 100 range with 4 people in the back? I heard it wasn't good hot & high??