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 Post subject: Help with Piper Aztec
PostPosted: 15 Nov 2016, 18:38 
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My dad owns a E turbo model with 5,000 hours airframe and has 150 hours left on both engines, decent paint and interior, also has Aspen Evolution 1000 and Auracle CRM2100. Should he try to sell it or part it out? He is kind of thinking moving up to Jet A maybe TBM or Piper Meridian. This aztec is a 1970 model. What is this airplane worth if we sell it?


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 Post subject: Re: Help with Piper Aztec
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Based on Controller..... More than I would have assumed.

http://www.controller.com/listings/airc ... bo-aztec-e


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I'd spend a couple hundred $$'s get it professionally appraised and then go from there. I did that and used it as a way of swatting away the low ball offers when I sold my Mooney a couple of months ago.

Another option is to look at a broker to help sell it if you don't want to deal with the hassle. They usually have the current pulse on the market.

Best of luck!

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 Post subject: Re: Help with Piper Aztec
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You could get in touch with DiamondAire - they only do Aztecs and they could probably help you with figuring out what to do with the plane. http://diamondaire.com/

I'm not sure why Aztecs are so disregarded - they are not rocket ships but they do what they are supposed to do fairly well, and fairly economically (well, I just got hit by a dual prop overhaul, but still). Maybe that one could be a good first twin for someone looking to build some time or something ..


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My dad owns a E turbo model with 5,000 hours airframe and has 150 hours left on both engines, decent paint and interior, also has Aspen Evolution 1000 and Auracle CRM2100. Should he try to sell it or part it out? He is kind of thinking moving up to Jet A maybe TBM or Piper Meridian. This aztec is a 1970 model. What is this airplane worth if we sell it?


So he's looking to move up to a $1-2 million airplane? The initial insurance premium on those birds will be $20k and he's going to spend $10K between instructors and fuel for the checkout.

I'd suggest two options
1) call several dealers (Van Bortel, Dan Howard, etc) and tell them you want to sell. See what they'll offer wholesale.
2) put an ad up for 50% over the price offered in #1. Drop the price $1k/day til the phone rings or you feel like taking offer #1


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 Post subject: Re: Help with Piper Aztec
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Charles,

I'd bet that is worth way more as a flyable airplane for sale that parting.

Parting is a PITA unless you're in the business, and if you sell it as scrap, I'd bet you'd get a lot less.

Has some nice stuff... low time engines and some nice electronics. If you didn't have to look at it and could park it where no one would see you get out, it would probably bring a good dollar. :D

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... low time engines

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... low time engines

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Ooops... 150 hrs left, I guess isn't low time. Can't read.
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Currently own a 1975 aztec and bought a 1970 for parts. I can attest to how much of a headache it is to part the 1970 out. Once I took the engines, props, avionics, etc off the old one it was a headache and a half dealing with the airport, salvage yard, paying rent for the remaining hulk, etc. In the end I kept my plane flying which is great but I still have the parts plane. Would think a flying aztec is worth more than the sum of its parts.

If anyone wants a free Aztec aircraft minus engines and panel hit me up!

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Somebody will surely be glad to own an aztec. They are super twins, no vices and well behaved. Not really fast but it will move.
Don't part it out. We need aztecs in the air.

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If anyone wants a free Aztec aircraft minus engines and panel hit me up!


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 Post subject: Re: Help with Piper Aztec
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I learned to fly a twin in a '57 Apache when I was a kid. Always wanted to own an Apache or Aztec and about a year ago looked hard at buying an Aztec just to sate my thirst. Most of the breed being offered for sale are junk and will probably never be sold. If your
dad's is current on maintenance, there is "a market", but with the high time engines, he will have to be reasonable, very reasonable. There is about a 99% chance that particular airplane will never see overhauls, IMO.

Parting out? you've already gotten a good answer on that. Salvage? you probably wouldn't see $20,000 on a good day according to my "salvage" friend Jimmy Mullen.

The airplane, if in good shape, will sell. It's all about price.

May I be so presumptuous as to ask what your father is expecting. No, I'm not interested anymore at any price,

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I'd agree, price it to sell, as it, and forget parting it out.

For a guy with the dollars to buy a million plus turboprop, the Aztec is nothing more than a distraction. Price it right, get rid of it asap, and go on with your life.

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one point of reference, in ~2005 a friend and I bought a short-nose carbeurated aztec with 1200-hour engines for 25K. We each took an engine and prop, sold a few other parts, and cut up the rest for scrap. After selling some parts and my prop I wound up with a spare mid-time engine for the pawnee for about $8K


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We have had Aztecs for many years, two N/A E-models to be exact. I sold our '74 last year after our current ridiculously nice '71 dropped into our laps. I'm also in the aircraft sales business so I am reasonably fluent in these matters. All of the advice you have gotten is spot on, don't part it out, it is worth more whole. "More" being relative here, because it isn't worth a ton with high-time engines. PM me if you would like me to do a quick desk top valuation for you, no charge for a fellow Aztec owner.

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