Interesting. What are the details?

Name a single t-prop that doesn't look like garbage from exhaust soot after 10 hours of flying.

the PT-6 exhaust provides thrust as well. for a -66 my guess is about 300 lbs.

but the 331 is pretty slick in the exhaust regard...no doubt

MU-2 also minimal soot - straight stovepipe right out after nacelle. On the Commanders that bend around wheel well creates some streaking at the very aft end, especially on the earlier -1 and -5 models with the shorter pipe.

It would be amazing if there had been a TPE331-10 STC to put on the Piaggio. It would halve the engine operating costs and cut fuel consumption with 20%. It would literally be unbeatable in the marketplace with those on.

it would be amazing... amazingly awful. The Piaggio as she stands is the unbeatable turboprop. Now a case could be made for the TPE331-14. But a marginal case.

What’s a ballpark price on an Evo?

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Name a single t-prop that doesn't look like garbage from exhaust soot after 10 hours of flying.

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441. Exhaust comes out the back and provides thrust, like it should. [/quote]


Just like a boat.......oh wait....

Regarding Available EVO's.. Yes there are 2-3 we are keeping an eye on, Not sure any are actually listed anywhere. Happy to discuss, but since we don't have exclusive listings on them, this isn't really the best place to give details. Anyone is welcome to email/call me anytime, however.

As far as current pricing, right now most are priced approximately 5.0m +/-.

Wow. We are attracting brokers for the p180 now! This thread really is the place to be for all things piaggio.

I think more types need threads like this one. They are very helpful when shopping.

Sitting at Grandma's here in Boca, just saw one take off from Boca and fly off about 50 minutes ago. Looked good, nice purr to it!!!

Paid 1.59 a gallon in São Paulo recently. That part is great. The $726 airport charges plus $700 handling charges not so much. That was for a 4 hour stay.

I am thinking Penman's idea of operating cost long term is more likely than Adam's. I really REALLY REALLY want to be wrong. I spoke with Stevens in Greenville,SC who did not give me the warm fuzzies on maintenance and downtime.

Who else maintains Avanti this side of Rockies besides Stevens and Southwest Aviation Specialties?

Actually, BT is enough of a central gathering place that I think Jeffs should provide full-blown subforums for types that don't have a home elsewhere. It would be great to have a full Piaggo forum here for *all* Piaggios - I always like the gull!

THE BS out there from people like Stevens is what hurt this airplanes reputation - and its almost universally WRONG. Of COURSE you can spend 1,000 dollars an hour on maintenance with a robber baron shop like Stevens or Textron - but who takes their airplanes to the dealer for maintenance after warranty periods anyway unless you love throwing away money? I had a quote from one of these shops that shall remain nameless to do a corrosion inspection for 76,000 dollars - and then HAD IT DONE by ICJ for 18,000. Its absolutely ridiculous the crap thats spread on these airplanes by people that have no direct knowledge of their true costs OR people who want you to spend cubic dollars in their overpriced shops....

As to downtime? Well I guess if you run an airplane into the hangar and need a new wing you might wait some months but normal downtime for maintenance with these airplanes is NO different than a King Air a Citation or any other bird of this consequence.

Ask an owner and operator about their experience and you will get a much better picture than these clowns that dump on the airplane

Actually, BT is enough of a central gathering place that I think Jeffs should provide full-blown subforums for types that don't have a home elsewhere. It would be great to have a full Piaggo forum here for *all* Piaggios - I always like the gull!