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 Post subject: Re: Citation Encore VS CJ4
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Mike C.,

Another thing you might start thinking about, since you are intent on being the poster boy of past TBO operations, if the Biffle Citation II had past TBO engines, what kind of criticism would he be facing posthumously right now?

Sometimes it’s better to let people make their own decisions and accept the consequences of those decisions.

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 Post subject: Re: Citation Encore VS CJ4
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And who are you going to get to do that HSI at 2500 hours?

TBO Extension thinks they can do it, so you need to figure out where they get it done:

https://atlanticjetpartners.com/tbo-ext ... 35-series/

If there is a past TBO HSI option, then the strategy can be implemented.

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And who are you going to get to do that HSI at 2500 hours?

TBO Extension thinks they can do it, so you need to figure out where they get it done:

https://atlanticjetpartners.com/tbo-ext ... 35-series/

If there is a past TBO HSI option, then the strategy can be implemented.

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• Cost and schedule advantages on PW530/535: $1–$1.5M per engine pair (includes HSI), 4–6 weeks turnaround, 2,500-hour extension

I suspect they worked with Pratt to get their STC approved, it makes sense for Pratt as they are SO far behind on Hot Sections and overhauls.

$1.5M (and we all know it can be a lot more) Did you do the math?

You'd be just as well off on the program.
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I suspect they worked with Pratt to get their STC approved

That makes no sense at all. Why would Pratt enable a company to take their revenue?

Pratt being behind is just artificial scarcity, something a monopoly can do at will to disempower their customers.

TBO Extension STC never made any sense, costs way too much for what it is. You have to pay for their STC development costs, their profits, and their monitoring gizmos, which is why it cost way more than just an HSI.

An owner operator doing an HSI without the STC does make sense.

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I suspect they worked with Pratt to get their STC approved

That makes no sense at all. Why would Pratt enable a company to take their revenue?

Pratt being behind is just artificial scarcity, something a monopoly can do at will to disempower their customers.

TBO Extension STC never made any sense, costs way too much for what it is. You have to pay for their STC development costs, their profits, and their monitoring gizmos, which is why it cost way more than just an HSI.

An owner operator doing an HSI without the STC does make sense.

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My assumption is that they are having Pratt or Standard Aero do the HSI.

As far as I know, no other shops can do events on the 500 series Pratts.
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Anyone know if you can add CPDLC to a 2008 Proline 21 system? I did a
Little research and it seems you need a CMU-4000 but not said if that can be just added to a system of that age?

Seems like I get a lot of re routes when I fly these days and not loving the idea of adding big changes to the FMS manually. Having CPDLC would really simplify that panel in the Encore +

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