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 Post subject: Re: The Ultimate Pilatus PC12 Thread!
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There is only ONE reason that the PC12 is the most used airplane in the GA fleet...........

Now listen up, we're master debaters and cunning linguists on this thread............

say that quickly three times :peace:


That, that, that..........

(There are 115 different KA models flying right now, according to FA.....I left out the 100 series in the count, though, so it could be more..... neener neener..... :duck: :dance: )

Master debaters and cunning linguists.....well, I'll not deny either of those claims......

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 Post subject: Re: The Ultimate Pilatus PC12 Thread!
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Still not clear on the real world operating cost.

How much per hour for Fuel and engine reserves?
How much per hour for MX
whats your average speed and fuel burn per hour?


Mike when I start asking about speeds and burns I put my 'dream plane' in fltplan.com for a proposed flight, you get a reasonable answer. Different assumptions go into people's guesstimates so answers range, I find fltplan.com the best unbiased comparison.

Today a proposed 500nm flight (Provo-Santa Monica):
PVU-SMO PC12NG 888lbs of fuel and 1:58 flight
SMO-PVU PC12NG 1,251lbs of fuel and 2:38 flight

compare it to a Malibu
PVU-SMO: 56.5gal and 2:32 flight
SMO-PVU: 75.3 gal and 3:49 flight


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 Post subject: Re: The Ultimate Pilatus PC12 Thread!
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I have always questioned the accuracy of these charts.

There are only 133 A350s delivered and I doubt the majority of all produced are airbourne at the same time in the US. I also rarely ever see a MD11 they only made about 200 of those, it was such a disappointment.

Questioning minds?


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 Post subject: Re: The Ultimate Pilatus PC12 Thread!
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I have always questioned the accuracy of these charts.

There are only 133 A350s delivered and I doubt the majority of all produced are airbourne at the same time in the US. I also rarely ever see a MD11 they only made about 200 of those, it was such a disappointment.

Questioning minds?


The A350s are definitely questionable but between Fedex and UPS there's a whole lot of those 200 MD11s flying every day. They own 102 total.


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 Post subject: Re: The Ultimate Pilatus PC12 Thread!
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I have always questioned the accuracy of these charts.

There are only 133 A350s delivered and I doubt the majority of all produced are airbourne at the same time in the US. I also rarely ever see a MD11 they only made about 200 of those, it was such a disappointment.

Questioning minds?


The A350s are definitely questionable but between Fedex and UPS there's a whole lot of those 200 MD11s flying every day. They own 102 total.


I bet most are in the hangar getting MX done

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Mike when I start asking about speeds and burns I put my 'dream plane' in fltplan.com for a proposed flight, you get a reasonable answer. Different assumptions go into people's guesstimates so answers range, I find fltplan.com the best unbiased comparison.

Today a proposed 500nm flight (Provo-Santa Monica):
PVU-SMO PC12NG 888lbs of fuel and 1:58 flight
SMO-PVU PC12NG 1,251lbs of fuel and 2:38 flight

compare it to a Malibu
PVU-SMO: 56.5gal and 2:32 flight
SMO-PVU: 75.3 gal and 3:49 flight


What sir Alex was stating was the following:
PVU-SMO is 135 gallons of JetA
SMO-PVU is 200 gallons of JetA

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 Post subject: Re: The Ultimate Pilatus PC12 Thread!
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Alex and Michael, Thank you. thats what I wanted to see.

Bottom line PC12= Baller in my world LOL

Someday!!!

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Alex and Michael, Thank you. thats what I wanted to see.

Bottom line PC12= Baller in my world LOL

Someday!!!

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note that we average about $3 to $3.50 a gallon for JetA. I'm lower, but I always stop at KACT on my cross country trips and they have damn cheap JetA..........CAA members get really good pricing.

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I have always questioned the accuracy of these charts.

There are only 133 A350s delivered and I doubt the majority of all produced are airbourne at the same time in the US.

I think FlightAware is looking worldwide now.

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 Post subject: Re: The Ultimate Pilatus PC12 Thread!
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That would change things.

Still a high percentage of that aircraft on the planet that happen to be in the air.

I need to get out more I haven’t seen one,at least I don’t think I have?

As reference I think there have been 1500 PC12 delivered!


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Steve, fly more...........skew the numbers in favor of the Commanders.......or just give your airplane to me, I'll fly it........free of charge too :peace:

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Mike when I start asking about speeds and burns I put my 'dream plane' in fltplan.com for a proposed flight, you get a reasonable answer. Different assumptions go into people's guesstimates so answers range, I find fltplan.com the best unbiased comparison.

Today a proposed 500nm flight (Provo-Santa Monica):
PVU-SMO PC12NG 888lbs of fuel and 1:58 flight
SMO-PVU PC12NG 1,251lbs of fuel and 2:38 flight

compare it to a Malibu
PVU-SMO: 56.5gal and 2:32 flight
SMO-PVU: 75.3 gal and 3:49 flight


What sir Alex was stating was the following:
PVU-SMO is 135 gallons of JetA
SMO-PVU is 200 gallons of JetA

Or, at CAA fuel prices (I am using $3.50 which is on high side), the difference in fuel costs is:

About $275 more on PVU-SMO trip, and
about $435 more on SMS-PVU trip

to fly in a PC-12 versus a Malibu (everything else being equal, which is it not....)

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The thing that everyone misses about operating cost is that the majority of cost are fixed. Within reason, even maintenance is a fixed annual cost, though everyone wants to look at it as an hourly expense.

So, once you accept that the bulk of the cost of operation of an aircraft is a somewhat fixed, annual cost... and your hourly is really fuel and incidentals the usage starts to make a lot more sense. One of the great benefits of the PC12 and for that matter all turbine singles is fuel burn, understanding that the annual maintenance expense doesn't go up proportionally with usage and it all starts to make sense.

I believe PC12 owners find themselves flying more hours because it is economical to do so, it's fuel and that's about it. The hours do not depreciate the airplane as much because the resale is so strong to begin with. So... really no downside.

The maintenance of both the PC12 and the TBM are high compared to a CJ series or even a King Air :duck: but as long as you are using them the fuel savings offsets this and it all makes sense.

There is currently no airplane that is as capable, and is as good of an investment with lower total ownership cost than the PC12.

It scores extremly high on "exit strategy" as well. (This is a component of ownership we stress with all of our clients, what does it look like if you have to fire sale this thing a year after purchase)

The entry threshold isn't low, but if you have the budget the PC12 is hard to beat.

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PC-12s are always on Flightaware because they ONLY do 265kts. Jet pilots are already on the slopes. :D

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PC-12s are always on Flightaware because they ONLY do 265kts. Jet pilots are already on the slopes. :D

Unless they can't get into Aspen because of wind and ice so they divert to Denver and drive 4 hours up.

PC12 is made for the mountains.


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