BeechTalk - BT

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jul 2017, 17:04

Username Protected wrote:

If you eat something bad at Taco Bell, who flies while you fire up the lav?

That's what a long cord is for.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jul 2017, 17:05

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Jason, you don't know what you don't know.

There is absolutely no argument that can be made that a trained 2 pilot crew is no more safe than a single pilot operator.

If 2 pro pilot flown airplanes never crashed I'd agree with you. But it happens all the time. I think you guys need to go read Crash Talk. There are too many variables for you to make such a statement.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jul 2017, 17:06

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You are a pilot at heart. You wouldn't want to ride in the back. Not everyone thinks that way. Most of our clients ride in the back, it's a different mentality.

No doubt most owners ride in the back. I love flying. I trust myself A LOT more than 2 guys I don't know flying my airplane while I sit in the back.

The "cardiac event" is a fair consideration. But how often is that a cause of an airplane crash? Yes, I've heard of those crashes but it's super super rare.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jul 2017, 17:07

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You have a statistical problem with that statement. Aircraft that are flown with two professional pilots crash FAR less often than aircraft flown by a single pilot.

OK, post up your stats.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jul 2017, 17:09

That is true... I'm actually surprised that there are not more medical emergencies. I had kidney stones last year... thought I had been shot in the back when it hit. I'm glad I was walking down a beach and not driving or flying...

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jul 2017, 17:10

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That is true... I'm actually surprised that there are not more medical emergencies. I had kidney stones last year... thought I had been shot in the back when it hit. I'm glad I was walking down a beach and not driving or flying...

No doubt the biggest concern I have.

I lost my voice while on a trip last year. How do you talk on the radio? Ha.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jul 2017, 17:11

Username Protected wrote:

You have a statistical problem with that statement. Aircraft that are flown with two professional pilots crash FAR less often than aircraft flown by a single pilot.

OK, post up your stats.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jul 2017, 17:13

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Seriously, I have to get some work done!! Just read all the fatality crashes on the FAA's database... jets crash less than turboprops crash less than pistons.

Is there side by side data of the same airplane with or without an SIC... no.

That's not the data I've read.

Take "training flights" in Cessna 172's out of the stats and the numbers look very different. Your data lumps the noob in the 172 with the Pilatus Owner Operator.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jul 2017, 17:21

Username Protected wrote:

Jason, you don't know what you don't know.

There is absolutely no argument that can be made that a trained 2 pilot crew is no more safe than a single pilot operator.

If 2 pro pilot flown airplanes never crashed I'd agree with you. But it happens all the time. I think you guys need to go read Crash Talk. There are too many variables for you to make such a statement.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jul 2017, 17:25

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Like I said, there is no argument. Anything to the contrary is just noise.

All you're making is noise. Feel free to back up your statements if it's so easy.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jul 2017, 17:43

Please note that the PC12 cruises fast, but you can slow it down to 80 knots, bonanza speed..........it lands slowly too. It's NOT a jet.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jul 2017, 17:57

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Please note that the PC12 cruises fast, but you can slow it down to 80 knots, bonanza speed..........it lands slowly too. It's NOT a jet.

You guys know I closed a Pilatus right... you know I love the Pilatus right...

I told this guy to buy one... right...

I'm not saying the Pilatus isn't safe, I'm saying having a safety pilot in the right seat is always a great idea, for anyone, in anything!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jul 2017, 18:01

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No doubt most owners ride in the back. I love flying. I trust myself A LOT more than 2 guys I don't know flying my airplane while I sit in the back.

The "cardiac event" is a fair consideration. But how often is that a cause of an airplane crash? Yes, I've heard of those crashes but it's super super rare.

Yep, both guys up front could have had the fish!

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jul 2017, 18:02

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I'm not saying the Pilatus isn't safe, I'm saying having a safety pilot in the right seat is always a great idea, for anyone, in anything!

yes and no

having someone else in the cockpit who is familiar with the machine and the ops specs, and is trained in multi crew operation, is of immeasurable value. But having some random warm body plopped there is often worse than nothing. I'd rather have one of my kids in the right seat than a pilot I don't know.

Username Protected · **Posted:** 11 Jul 2017, 18:04

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You guys know I closed a Pilatus right... you know I love the Pilatus right...

I told this guy to buy one... right...

I'm not saying the Pilatus isn't safe, I'm saying having a safety pilot in the right seat is always a great idea, for anyone, in anything!

The debate we're having is "fundamental" to the rationale of why the PC12 is so successful. You no longer need an old 2 pilot jet to fly somewhere far, far away safely. This is why there are 62 PC12's flying right now compared to 30 Citation Excels.

What plane am I describing?