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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 21:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: i'd think the shorter strips deal is yuuuge I thought you were working on a wall? Mike C.
Quote: But being one of the smallest jets in its class has advantages. The Vision Jet requires just 2,036ft/620m to take off, and 1,628ft/496m to land – allowing the aircraft to take advantage of smaller airstrips closer to the passenger’s final destination. not much good about a very ltd 1 plane/model engine
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 22:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: As to FL310, in the Citation II I flew, we seldom got above FL33 in summer even on long legs. To get higher, we had to step climb. We were slow higher and took a long time to climb when full. The plane would go higher, but as a practical matter, we didn't usually do that. Light load, cold weather, different story. Citation V was much better and took it to FL430 on one trip. Was that one one engine or two? Because with two engines you can always climb a lot higher! Tim (could not resist)
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 22:59 |
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must be some good anglo  stuff out there uhmm.. funky music starts ~ 14 mnts @ taxi for take off [youtube]https://youtu.be/DKVVIKMihJc[/youtube] [youtube]https://youtu.be/6_LLLAjFw7Q[/youtube]
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 00:02 |
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Username Protected wrote: As to FL310, in the Citation II I flew, we seldom got above FL33 in summer even on long legs. To get higher, we had to step climb. We were slow higher and took a long time to climb when full. The plane would go higher, but as a practical matter, we didn't usually do that. Light load, cold weather, different story. Citation V was much better and took it to FL430 on one trip. Was that one one engine or two? Because with two engines you can always climb a lot higher! Tim (could not resist) crickets
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 09:19 |
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Username Protected wrote: If you want to travel by GA, a 1 hour airplane doesn't cut it, never will.
Mike C. What's a 1 hour airplane? The F16 with afterburner running is a 20 minute airplane.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 09:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: The F16 with afterburner running is a 20 minute airplane. Chip- The F-16 is underpowered
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 12:04 |
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Chip-[/quote] The F-16 is underpowered [/quote] And a single!  [/quote] With a chute
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 13:19 |
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http://www.fsd-international.com/Hangar/Vision/https://www.businessinsider.com/cirrus- ... -garmin-19Quote: It's pretty incredible - gamechanger. https://psfj.co/wp-content/uploads/2014 ... ressed.pdfQuote: GETTING PILOTS READY FOR THE SF50 The Cirrus team work closely, well in advance of delivery, with SF50 position holders, to ensure that they are both ready and able to take delivery of, and safely fly the aircraft.
This may involve discussions about, and help with flying currency, and capabilities, before even going into the nine-day intensive training program.
The type rating involves four to five days ground work, including learning how to master the avionics, and then extensive air work, across several days, before a flight check http://fsims.faa.gov/wdocs/fsb/sf50_rev%200.pdfQuote: •Forward Slips During the SF50 evaluation, the FSB discovered an unfavorable stall protection system reaction during the input of a forward slip. The FSB recommends that all pilots in SF50 training avoid the use of forward slips or any other uncoordinated flight during operations below 200 feet AGL when the yaw damper is automatically disengaged. ---- 10.4.2 Forward Slip to a Landing. The FSB evaluated this maneuver and does not recommend this maneuver or significant sustained uncoordinated flight below 200 feet AGL when the yaw damper is automatically disengaged be performed in the SF50. As a result, this maneuver is waived for the practical test for the issuance of an SF50 type rating. However, if the SF50 type rating practical test is conducted concurrently with the initial issuance of a private pilot certificate, this maneuver must be trained and checked in a separate airplane which is capable of the maneuver. NOTE: During the FSB, the pilot had to manually deactivate the automatic yaw damper system during this event. The slip caused erroneous AOA indications and initiated stall warning and stick shaker events. --- 10.4.3 Power Off 180-Degree Accuracy Approach and Spot Landing. The FSB evaluated this maneuver and does not recommend the maneuver be performed in the SF50. Therefore, this maneuver is waived for the practical test for the issuance of an SF50 type rating. However, if the SF50 type rating practical test is conducted concurrently with the initial issuance of a commercial pilot certificate, this maneuver must be trained and checked in a separate airplane which is capable of the maneuver.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 14:25 |
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Username Protected wrote: Damn that video is awesome. They sure know how to market their products. At 2.7m hard to see why someone would choose an M600 over an SF50. Try a day trip to/from Alaska in an SF50.... and do it during the winter when all the runways are contaminated and there is over 1500 nm of icy IFR. Not everybody needs all the capability of a SETP, but the M600 carries more, farther, into higher, hotter, shorter, or contaminated fields without concern. The M600 can also carry 6 adults not 5. It is a more capable and a more redundant aircraft. For the right mission the SF50 is awesome, but it is not the aircraft that an M600 is. I routinely fly non-stop from Utah to the east coast. Makes flight planning and weather planning super simple, and also allows me to leave at my leisure late morning and have dinner with my daughters on the east coast with enough energy to enjoy it. Can't even do that commercial due to needing connections to suboptimal airports.
Good points, the m600 has longer legs but that gap might get squeezed if the ceiling gets another bump upwards. Really anywhere within 800 miles you’re looking good in the SF50 but any longer starts to get tight. At the same time for price, you get more seating options and much better room for pilot and pax. The SF50 cabin absolutely donkey stomps the m600.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 14:32 |
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[youtube]https://youtu.be/5txErf2Fyk4[/youtube] [youtube]https://youtu.be/jeI4kXrDt00[/youtube] lol Quote: After going over speed and crashing in my first SF50 video, I've read the Pilot's Operating Handbook (POH) and logged 6 VR hours in this cockpit. Right now I'm practicing using the PAPI system (runway landing lights) to maintain ideal glide slope. [youtube]https://youtu.be/3aRpI8nqW1E[/youtube]
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 14:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: ...for another thread tooooooooooons of that went wild here  Hey Jon, I sense that you have some valuable contributions to make in terms of the discussion regarding the SF50, but I have to say I find your posts very hard to follow and understand. I suggest that you take a bit more time to write out your thoughts using full sentences. If you embed a link or video you might want to write a brief description of what the link or video contains so the reader can decide if it is something they want to click on. Just a friendly suggestion so we can get more out of this thread.
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Post subject: Re: Cirrus SF50 Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 15:53 |
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Username Protected wrote: At the same time for price, you get more seating options and much better room for pilot and pax. The SF50 cabin absolutely donkey stomps the m600. Probably depends on preference, and what you value. How much time do you have in an M600? Pretty darn comfortable, I mean dang, beats the heck the heck out of commercial , even first class. Especially if you are hanging out in back with the pro-team up front. Sometimes when I ride in the back, I question why I even have a pilots license.  Personally I like club seating, btw. Attachment: 1 (56).jpg
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