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 Post subject: Re: Aircraft inventory levels are critically low.
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Does an A&P need to refill on board oxygen tanks or can you do it yourself like nitrogen/tires? We have an air supply shop where we get our nitrogen tanks from for our tires and we just swap out the empty one and get a refilled one. Can owners fill their own O2? Would be a lot cheaper than the $100 fill ups.

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At my FBO the line guys do it. They charged me $75 last time I had it done in July, 2021. Capacity of my bottle is 500L. But it wasn't empty. Bottom of the green arc is 1,600psi and top is 1,800psi. They actually overfilled it a bit to ~1,900psi. Relief valve (blow out disk) is at 2,500 so no issues there.

Speaking of tires, I was told during my type rating that we aren't supposed to fill our own tires since they are >60psi. I told my instructor that I would be sure that the tires were only serviced by approved maintenance personnel from then on :rofl:


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... I was told during my type rating that we aren't supposed to fill our own tires since they are >60psi. I told my instructor that I would be sure that the tires were only serviced by approved maintenance personnel from then on :rofl:

I assume he quoted you which FAR said that, right? :scratch:

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I was told during my type rating that we aren't supposed to fill our own tires since they are >60psi.

In the serving section of the operating manual:
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Sure go into a lot of detail if the pilot isn't allowed to do it. I do it myself.

Tire pressure vigilance is a major deal with jets. The maintenance manual has some pretty severe limits when it comes to underinflation.

Goodyear says if the tire was rolled at 80% of less of inflation, or reaches 50% or less of inflation unrolled, the tire should be replaced.

You do NOT want to be needing a tire right now, hard to find.

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Be wary of obvious under inflation on duals that can cause a tire fire prior to liftoff.

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Sure go into a lot of detail if the pilot isn't allowed to do it. I do it myself.

Ah, but do you use air or nitrogen? :stir:

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Ah, but do you use air or nitrogen? :stir:

Nitrogen, of course.

FBO has a tank they let me use.

Since my mains are 140 PSI, kind of hard to use an average air compressor in any case.

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:scratch: :scratch: I'm not sure if aircraft inventory levels are low because of the Williams engine program or lack of nitrogen in the tires.

:lol: :lol:

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:scratch: :scratch: I'm not sure if aircraft inventory levels are low because of the Williams engine program or lack of nitrogen in the tires.

:lol: :lol:

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Absolutely part of the problem, exacerbated by the unclear status of the Space Station's future, combined with the very real concern that the Cold War between Ciholas and McClure may turn into a real shooting war with a direct impact not only on inventory levels, but the continued availability of complimentary coffee at most FBOs.


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:scratch: :scratch: I'm not sure if aircraft inventory levels are low because of the Williams engine program or lack of nitrogen in the tires.

:lol: :lol:

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Absolutely part of the problem, exacerbated by the unclear status of the Space Station's future, combined with the very real concern that the Cold War between Ciholas and McClure may turn into a real shooting war with a direct impact not only on inventory levels, but the continued availability of complimentary coffee at most FBOs.

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Sure go into a lot of detail if the pilot isn't allowed to do it. I do it myself.

I do as well. That was why I thought it was funny. I bought a cylinder and regulator from Aircraft Spruce. I'm sure I overpaid buying a kit like that but it just works.


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As single pilot, you'll be wearing and using an oxygen mask up there.

It is possible I could be the only one who actually follows those rules.


Kind of a hassle, but the consequences of not doing that are not good! Too easy become complacent.

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[oxygen]At my FBO the line guys do it. They charged me $75 last time I had it done in July, 2021. Capacity of my bottle is 500L. But it wasn't empty. Bottom of the green arc is 1,600psi and top is 1,800psi. They actually overfilled it a bit to ~1,900psi. Relief valve (blow out disk) is at 2,500 so no issues there.

The target pressure varies with temperature quite a bit:
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If the temp is about 90F, then 1900 PSI is correct even though it is outside the green arc. The 1800 Psi is at 70F and you change about 5 PSI for 1F change.

This chart is particularly important when filling in the cold. If you put in 1800 PSI at 0F, that will be 2300 PSI at 90F which starts to get close to the blow out disk.

Also, "stabilized pressure" is when the tank is cooled down to ambient. That may not be the temperature right at the moment you fill it. This is particularly true if the filling system has any sort of compressor which elevates the temperature of the oxygen.

This chart from chapter 12 of the MM, Servicing.

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:scratch: :scratch: I'm not sure if aircraft inventory levels are low because of the Williams engine program or lack of nitrogen in the tires.

:lol: :lol:

Jg

There is nothing on the net (other than this thread) about Aircraft inventory levels being critically low, fake news.

Makes as much sense as the famous quote: "The chances are almost 100% that we have to find that airplane off market, there's just nothing out there"

Let's not forget this bit, what a surprise: "We have access to off-market turbine aircraft!" in every post, or
"most of the aircraft advertised for sale on Controller either aren't real or are already sold."

Then there is "acquire"
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1. to come into possession or ownership of; get as one's own. 2. to gain for oneself through one's actions or efforts: to acquire learning.

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:scratch: :scratch: I'm not sure if aircraft inventory levels are low because of the Williams engine program or lack of nitrogen in the tires.

:lol: :lol:

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There is nothing on the net (other than this thread) about Aircraft inventory levels being critically low, fake news.

Makes as much sense as the famous quote: "The chances are almost 100% that we have to find that airplane off market, there's just nothing out there"

Let's not forget this bit, what a surprise: "We have access to off-market turbine aircraft!" in every post, or
"most of the aircraft advertised for sale on Controller either aren't real or are already sold."

Then there is "acquire"
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What is an acquire?
1. to come into possession or ownership of; get as one's own. 2. to gain for oneself through one's actions or efforts: to acquire learning.


Jon,

Not all answers are found on the internet, but you could start by simply perusing Controller. I listed above a few of our normal markets with just 1-3 airplanes advertised. You have to understand that a year ago that number was 20-30!

This isn't fake news.

Call anyone in aviation sales or maintenance and they will tell you what is going on.

This is NOT a good market for my little firm, we have increased our overhead in an attempt to find airplanes for clients, but it's a struggle, when we do find them it's a struggle to get them bought without paying "stupid price"

I wish you were right and that it was fake news.
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For what its worth I used Chip to find and acquire my V and it was an off market plane that was only found through his network. 2 months after I bought it the previous owner reached out and wanted to buy it back for $200k more than I paid for it. Take that info for what its worth and make up your own mind.


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