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 Post subject: Re: Doing Stupid things...like buying this Eclipse
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Bet an eclipse aero act (esp formation) would be popular. Perfect use for exp exhib.

I'm not sure the motors really have any value though. No other airframe uses them and none of the planes are near overhaul. Who will be wanting to buy these engines?


There are a several Eclipse operators who have already done hot sections, some coming up on overhauls already. I sold a pair of 200 hour motors for $275,000 not too long ago. There aren't many buyers out there for them, but they do exist.

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 Post subject: Re: Doing Stupid things...like buying this Eclipse
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There aren't many buyers out there for them, but they do exist.


And in 3 years 50-100 motors will come available to support 200 flying airframes. That's a lot of birdstrikes...


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Bet an eclipse aero act (esp formation) would be popular. Perfect use for exp exhib.


Too quiet...

If I had more time and money, I'd pick up a handful of the cheap old Lears and make them Experimental/Exhibition and do a formation acro routine with them.

Matt (I think) Younkin did a Lear 23 routine a while back and it was pretty good. Putting 3 or 4 of them in the air at the same time will make some serious noise!

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They could use speakers :)

Or fit the engines with afterburners

Or Stuka style dive sirens on the tip tanks


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Bet an eclipse aero act (esp formation) would be popular. Perfect use for exp exhib.


Too quiet...

If I had more time and money, I'd pick up a handful of the cheap old Lears and make them Experimental/Exhibition and do a formation acro routine with them.

Matt (I think) Younkin did a Lear 23 routine a while back and it was pretty good. Putting 3 or 4 of them in the air at the same time will make some serious noise!

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Your next purchase would need to be a refinery if you intended to put 3-4 of these things in the air.
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 Post subject: Re: Doing Stupid things...like buying this Eclipse
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Your next purchase would need to be a refinery if you intended to put 3-4 of these things in the air.


I didn't say it was a good idea!

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There aren't many buyers out there for them, but they do exist.


And in 3 years 50-100 motors will come available to support 200 flying airframes. That's a lot of birdstrikes...


yep, that's what i came here to post

love the purchase, but the economics of all of these turning into pumpkins at once may affect the parting out idea, either way, enjoy it and get your moneys worth somehow and don't dwell on the future :cheers:

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Where does it state that the 20,000 hr, no time limit increase does not apply to early serial numbers?

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The TCDS does not. That's a business decision by new eclipse.


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The TCDS does not. That's a business decision by new eclipse.


Not exactly true for the pre-ett planes. The structural differences are significant. EAI finished the fatigue testing on the ETT version and was awarded the life extension from the FAA, but nobody is going to spend millions of dollars doing the testing when there are only 2 or 3 of these planes still flying. Remember, these airplanes were all supposed to be upgraded to ETT by original Eclipse.

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External tip tank?

There were just a few of those made, correct?

But there are many structurally eligible 1.0s that eclipse will not upgrade, correct?


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There are proper ways to do stupid things.

It reminds me of one of my roommates at The University. He'd have made a great engineer, but that's what his Dad wanted him to do and that wasn't happenin' (clue where this could go).

He changed majors a couple of times, landing in different Colleges of the univ and they all had different requirements. On his last move, the college required two years of a foreign language. Yea, they were "forcing" him to do something he didn't see any need for... he didn't plan to leave the U S of A, was from South Texas (knowing enough Espanol to get by), clearly understood the need for a single language, and the mother tongue was just fine thankyouverymuch.

He couldn't get out of it. So... he discovered Swahili, and took four (4) college semesters of the language.

To quote him "If you're going to do something stupid, do it right!". :thumbup:

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To quote him "If you're going to do something stupid, do it right!". :thumbup:

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Love this quote.
You Texans have an incredible sense of humor.
My good friend bought a more recent Eclipse. FIKI, AP, the works.
We are having a blast with that thing. It's so cute and fast.
Slightly weird MFD and PFD if you are used to Garmin products.
Feels like a mini fighter. (I don't know any better of course)

Waaayyyyy out of my league, but fun.
I have great friends!
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Structural mods between the early small tip tank STT and later extended ETT seem limited to the bigger tanks and some aerodynamic fairings, pretty minor stuff. No spars or major sheet metal changed


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If I could I'd get me one of them. Don't need much else, maybe an Ultralight or rather a light experimental for really hang it out and hang it loose flying.

For moving along and going places I think the Eclipse is just about where its at for a happy pilot. Somethin like a Paris Jet but much much better.


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