Wow, just wow. Just saw this, I guess I was maggot #7 who he claimed said “ cancel all your plans on Tuesday I’ll buy the plane”.

Except that’s bullshit and you know it bub. I told you that I would make my best effort to meet you on Tuesday afternoon but since I was having to drive down from Dallas (my TTX is in annual that I was considering selling to buy your airplane with) to Galveston it would be quite a ways out of my way to get to your home airport. I said I was very interested and would call you Monday to firm up plans.

Life interceded and my business plans changed. You called me while I was on a conference call and I told you I would call you back that evening.

Prior to my calling you you texted me …. and I quote to “%#$@ off you %#$@%#$@” and “ go piss up a rope”.

Nice.

I think it will pass on it pal.

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So True, not even funny. Basically only a few shops I'd trust for a C421 pre-buy; Air Impression, OCR, Howards (maybe) and TAS in Ohio. Maybe I'm missing a few. Very few shops really know all the quirks of these planes, and how to maintain them. Absolutely NOW WAY IN HELL I'd accept a pre-buy in a local hanger on a C421. Now, that plane in question is going to be +$730K out the door, so if that is what you want, then it might be a plane to consider. Its a low time airframe, which is unusual, so it went to Air Impressions for a pre-buy, and then was towed down the ramp to RAM for two engines, it might be a better than new C421C. But, that's a lot of coin

Chris C

Someone could fly it a while before engines. But!!! When you do engines you should do everything else fire wall forward. I just did that and it was 125,000 a side, 250,000 total.

Asking is 567,000 plus 250,000 for a firewall forward and your investment is over 800,000 dollars. Provided there is nothing else wrong?

Having seen firsthand the condition in which Howard maintains his airplane, if there's a single squawk on his Baron (besides these three) I will eat my shoe. He's not kidding.

Me thinks this plane might remain in someone’s inventory longer than hoped.

Ok let’s see it. Who’s got the link?

Edit: I assume this is it https://www.controller.com/listing/for- ... n-aircraft

That has to be the lightest 421C ever with a EW of 4777 and UL of 2803.

To paraphrase Mr. Clemens: Try to avoid telling maggot stories where people know you. NEVER tell maggot stories where people know the maggots”.

I would be EXTREMELY suspicious of this weighing.

I bet there is an error somewhere. For example, they weighed it with fuel on board and subtracted more than the fuel actually was.

It is common to find W&B errors. I once saw a 310 listed as having an empty weight listed of ~1600 lbs and a useful load of ~3700 lbs. Yup, the shop had transposed empty and useful. The sad part is that *three* different shops subsequent to the error had updated the W&B and didn't catch the error!

Mike C.

The way I see it from my chair, I disagree. I believe it contributed to your post. Your jab was to insinuate something wrong with the potential transaction or my plane. That's why you mentioned it. There was no hard line drawn about the pre-buy. It has been mentioned with all prospective buyers that I greatly prefer the plane does not leave my hangar. Bring your mechanic and look all you want. Which is still a risk of being left with a plane in pieces in my hangar. You mentioned nothing at your visit about this being an issue. Your post mentioned needing additional investments to bring it up to a certain standard. However, you didn't mention if you are talking about the engines, which is the only thing that my plane needs and why it is priced the way it is. The plane is in incredible condition with paint, interior and avionics, along with the logbooks and no damage history, all ADs complied with. It has flown a lot and it has had a lot of money in maintenance spent by, at least, the past three owners. There is nothing wrong with the engines the way they are and plenty of life to make well past next annual or two from my viewpoint.

There have been multiple test flights and many people I have met at the plane and a lot more talked with on the phone. I actually told you and your father when he first tried to pay for fuel, that I didn't want the money, that I felt bad accepting that since you guys had just flown in your plane to look at my plane. The $250 was appreciated in contributing towards the fuel on our hour flight.

You mean dealing with a reasonable person that owns a valuable, attractive asset and doesn't want pie-in-the-sky buyers?

I find these rants endlessly entertaining. It almost always turns out that the author is equally guilty, mostly guilty, unhinged, or some combination of the three.

I've said this before, but there should be a sticky on every sub forum warning people to think twice before ranting against some person, group or shop. Maybe something like this...

Sticky - Rant Warning: Proceed at your own risk

"You are angry and frustrated. You're certain you've been egregiously wronged. You need to vent. You want empathy. You want validation. You just have to get the offense off your chest. Trust us, we're a pilot community. We get it.

Just know two things before you choose to post a rant against some person, group or shop.

The first is that in the history of BT no member has ever posted such a rant and received the sympathy they sought. Never. Do you think you'll be the exception? Well, do ya', punk?

The second is that invariably the other side comes out and your position is at best weakened and at worst completely invalidated. This will induce you to defend your position even more vigorously. This won't help. It will likely end with you tarnishing whatever good reputation you enjoyed, and deciding BT isn't the place you hoped it would be. We don't want either to happen.

It doesn't need to be this way.

You have a choice.

Just....don't....do it. Find another place or venue to vent. We suggest The Book of Faces.

If you don't heed this warning, saddle up. You're in for a rough and entertaining ride. Rough for you. Entertaining for us."