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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT  Posted: 07 Jun 2024, 12:00 |
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My understanding is that they removed a couple of tiles on the side that melted to gauge the resilience of the system to loss of tiles. Given that it still made it to touchdown intact, I’d say pretty good.
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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT Posted: 07 Jun 2024, 16:23 |
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Username Protected wrote: I happen to be a huge Spacex fan. I just have to wonder if their launch was a big middle finger to Boeing’s
As in look at what we can accomplish. I think it wouldn’t be beyond Elon to do this. Remember, Boeing built the CST-100, and ULA built the launch vehicle. If anything, Elon's Hawaiian-good-luck sign was directed at ULA for having the temerity to think they can keep up in the launch world. With Dragon and Crew Dragon, SpaceX has a very, very comfortable technology and flight time lead over Boeing, but Dragon hasn't flown on Starship.
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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT Posted: 07 Jun 2024, 17:03 |
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ULA is a Boeing/Lockheed joint venture to build/market the Atlas V (Lockheed design originally) and the Delta IV (Boeing design), and now the Vulcan (designed by ULA, powered by Blue Origin). So Boeing has skin in both the capsule and launch market. Vulcan is years late for a number of reasons, but no more than standard for any other Boeing product of the last couple decades. Slowly, but surely, Boeing’s competitors are eating its market share in all of its markets.
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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT Posted: 07 Jun 2024, 18:24 |
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Username Protected wrote: ULA is a Boeing/Lockheed joint venture to build/market the Atlas V (Lockheed design originally) and the Delta IV (Boeing design), and now the Vulcan (designed by ULA, powered by Blue Origin). So Boeing has skin in both the capsule and launch market. Vulcan is years late for a number of reasons, but no more than standard for any other Boeing product of the last couple decades. Slowly, but surely, Boeing’s competitors are eating its market share in all of its markets. Slight nit, the Atlas was originally a Convair design 
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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT Posted: 07 Jun 2024, 21:09 |
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You got me there. The defense industry has so many mergers and consolidations over the last 50 years that it’s tough to remember who originally designed the older ICBMs. I did work with a guy who sat alert in an Atlas silo way back when.
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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT Posted: 08 Jun 2024, 12:49 |
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Username Protected wrote: You got me there. The defense industry has so many mergers and consolidations over the last 50 years that it’s tough to remember who originally designed the older ICBMs. I did work with a guy who sat alert in an Atlas silo way back when. Indeed. I started with Rockwell Rocketdyne which became Boeing Rocketdyne which became Pratt and Whitney Rocketdyne which became Aerojet Rocketdyne and is now L3 Aerojet Rocketdyne. 
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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT Posted: 08 Jun 2024, 13:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: ULA is a Boeing/Lockheed joint venture to build/market the Atlas V (Lockheed design originally) and the Delta IV (Boeing design), and now the Vulcan (designed by ULA, powered by Blue Origin). So Boeing has skin in both the capsule and launch market. Vulcan is years late for a number of reasons, but no more than standard for any other Boeing product of the last couple decades. Slowly, but surely, Boeing’s competitors are eating its market share in all of its markets. You're of course right, John-- I forgot that Boeing was part of the ULA JV.
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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT Posted: 08 Jun 2024, 13:53 |
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Username Protected wrote: Pretty cool. I wonder why they didn’t even attempt to land it on one of their landing pad barges? Also, I noticed in the climb video the steering paddle/fins of the booster seemed permanently deployed, whereas I thought they retract them on Falcon. Again - wonder why, whether drag is so small as to be meaningless, or whether they will refine at some point as payloads go up.
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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT Posted: 08 Jun 2024, 16:25 |
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Username Protected wrote: Pretty cool. I wonder why they didn’t even attempt to land it on one of their landing pad barges? It has no landing legs - in future they will catch it back at the launch tower.
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Post subject: Re: Spacex Starship OFT Posted: 08 Jun 2024, 16:40 |
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Username Protected wrote: Pretty cool. I wonder why they didn’t even attempt to land it on one of their landing pad barges? I don't think these Starship boosters have landing gear.
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