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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series  Posted: 05 Jul 2018, 01:17 |
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Almost back on topic here... Got to fly LH seat in a Textron Demonstrator CJ3+ yesterday from Brisbane to Sydney, so about 400nm. What a machine. From a flying perspective it was pretty standard CJ qualities. Had no issues with the larger airframe. The power was amazing and the FADEC means you dont really do much in the Climb. My wife thought the rear cabin was the same level of quietness as the CJ/CJ2 and she didnt really think there was much of a difference.(which is a darn shame as it would have been good for her to be in love  ) We went to FL400 at MTOW and with in a few minutes of cruise hit MMO so had to pull the power back, sat at 420kts. Total flight time was 90mins and burnt 1500 lbs. Long STAR into SSY so a bit more fuel then expected. The biggest different is the G3000. Really enjoyed flying behind it and obviously having full VNAV capability again reduces work load considerable. A bunch of system (pressuration / Environmental) and all controlled for the touch pads. They definitely do a great job of making the 525 series super simpple single pilot. I think I’ve got the CJ3+ bug...... Andrew.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series Posted: 05 Jul 2018, 08:45 |
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Suprised the 3+ has chinzy sun visors instead of Rosens for the price.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series Posted: 05 Jul 2018, 09:06 |
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Username Protected wrote: Almost back on topic here... Got to fly LH seat in a Textron Demonstrator CJ3+ yesterday from Brisbane to Sydney, so about 400nm. What a machine. From a flying perspective it was pretty standard CJ qualities. Had no issues with the larger airframe. The power was amazing and the FADEC means you dont really do much in the Climb. My wife thought the rear cabin was the same level of quietness as the CJ/CJ2 and she didnt really think there was much of a difference.(which is a darn shame as it would have been good for her to be in love ) We went to FL400 at MTOW and with in a few minutes of cruise hit MMO so had to pull the power back, sat at 420kts. Total flight time was 90mins and burnt 1500 lbs. Long STAR into SSY so a bit more fuel then expected. The biggest different is the G3000. Really enjoyed flying behind it and obviously having full VNAV capability again reduces work load considerable. A bunch of system (pressuration / Environmental) and all controlled for the touch pads. They definitely do a great job of making the 525 series super simpple single pilot. I think I’ve got the CJ3+ bug...... Andrew. I got my wife to go look at a friend’s CJ3 a couple of nights ago. New P&I and Fusion panel it looks like a new airplane. Her comments were that she though she had a more comfortable seat in my TBM and, other than the potty didn’t think it was much of an upgrade for her. That didn’t help me either! I agree with you though!
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series Posted: 05 Jul 2018, 09:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: I am surprised they let you fly it inverted. With no gyros to break what’s the problem with that?
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series Posted: 05 Jul 2018, 15:43 |
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Username Protected wrote: I am surprised they let you fly it inverted. With no gyros to break what’s the problem with that?
It wasn’t inverted, I’m in Australia so upside down
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series Posted: 05 Jul 2018, 18:53 |
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Username Protected wrote: It wasn’t inverted, I’m in Australia so upside down Andrew This picture proves flat earthers are wrong!
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series Posted: 05 Jul 2018, 20:47 |
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Username Protected wrote: With no gyros to break what’s the problem with that? It wasn’t inverted, I’m in Australia so upside down Andrew
Obviously.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series Posted: 06 Jul 2018, 00:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: I got my wife to go look at a friend’s CJ3 a couple of nights ago. New P&I and Fusion panel it looks like a new airplane. Her comments were that she though she had a more comfortable seat in my TBM and, other than the potty didn’t think it was much of an upgrade for her. That didn’t help me either!
I agree with you though! Try rolling it down the runway, point the nose toward the sky, tuck the wheels in the wells, and then see what she says.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series Posted: 06 Jul 2018, 16:48 |
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CJ3+ is an interesting airplane. We operate several and had only 1 occasion where it couldn't climb direct to 450 at gross.
Also beats book speeds by a mile. Will do 435knts TAS at FL300 if you're willing to burn the gas.
Just wish for a glass windshield really.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series Posted: 06 Jul 2018, 18:40 |
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Username Protected wrote: Just wish for a glass windshield really. Not if you are paying to replace it. Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series Posted: 07 Jul 2018, 11:25 |
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Username Protected wrote: Just wish for a glass windshield really. Not if you are paying to replace it. Mike C.
Yes, glass windshields can be pricey. The left and right windshields in the 747 are $20,000 per side, or they were 15 years ago anyway. The electrically heated function is probably part of the price with a gold conductor spray between laminates. Then the whole thing with the curves has to be optically distortion free.
I didn't mind the plastic windshields on the Lear, but had to watch out for linemen wanting to clean them with a paper towel and Windex. 
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series Posted: 07 Jul 2018, 11:32 |
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Username Protected wrote:
Yes, glass windshields can be pricey. The left and right windshields in the 747 are $20,000 per side, or they were 15 years ago anyway. The electrically heated function is probably part of the price with a gold conductor spray between laminates. Then the whole thing with the curves has to be optically distortion free.
I didn't mind the plastic windshields on the Lear, but had to watch out for linemen wanting to clean them with a paper towel and Windex. :eek:
My 421C was $50k for pilot and copilot windshields less than 5 years ago.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna Citation 500 Series vs Citation Jet 525 Series Posted: 07 Jul 2018, 11:39 |
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Username Protected wrote: Yes, glass windshields can be pricey. The left and right windshields in the 747 are $20,000 per side, or they were 15 years ago anyway. The electrically heated function is probably part of the price with a gold conductor spray between laminates. Then the whole thing with the curves has to be optically distortion free. I didn't mind the plastic windshields on the Lear, but had to watch out for linemen wanting to clean them with a paper towel and Windex. My 421C was $50k for pilot and copilot windshields less than 5 years ago.
Wow! How thick are they, and how are they heated Jesse?
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