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Post subject: Re: Cessna P337 Posted: 02 Jun 2024, 18:00 |
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Username Protected wrote: No way.
Example: I encountered almost zero pressurization problems with the Cessna 340s and 421s. On the other hand, the P337 is always leaking and you're always chasing those leaks ....
Ditto for the gear system: 310/340/421 (early) - get it rigged right from the get go and they are as trouble-free as you can get. 337 gear - not so much . With the nightmare in rigging the twin Cessna gear, there are few gear systems would estimate as higher-dollar to maintain than the tip tank twin-Cessna gear. It seems you may have seen an anomaly with the P337 gear. That gear system is very close to the 210 gear system, which is a pretty good system on the 1972 and later versions. We did have some issues with getting doors to seal up with the lack of an inflatable seal. With my experience with the P337's , the gear has not been hard to straighten out or keep running well. There certainly are a fair share of maintenance intensive items to keep on top of on these planes. After all these years, the P337 may be getting harder to maintain - lots of these planes getting maintained by people that shouldn't be working on airplanes doesn't make the job any easier. The higher end of the tip tank Twin-Cessna probably gets a lot better maintenance on the average. The 310 fleet is certainly getting way harder to maintain at this point with many many planes in arrears with regard to getting any TLC.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna P337 Posted: 03 Jun 2024, 19:06 |
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Does anybody have any firsthand experience with the early none pressurized turbo variety: T337B-F?
Thanks, Wendel
_________________ Ipc, BFR.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna P337 Posted: 05 Jun 2024, 12:22 |
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Username Protected wrote: I didn't realize the Conti IO-360 was a 6 cylinder. That seems like an underwhelming amount of horsepower for a 6. Same basic engine was used in Senecas, some turbo Mooneys, Hawk XP, Cirrus SR20, Turbo Arrows, a couple of Maules.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna P337 Posted: 16 Jun 2024, 23:00 |
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Joined: 02/11/09 Posts: 1377 Post Likes: +490 Company: UNLV Location: Tucson, AZ (57AZ)
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First, let's only discuss P337s as that was the question from the OP. See the thread title? People are commenting that have no experience with P337s. Don't listen to them. Normally aspirated and turbo without pressurization are completely different animals. We are not discussing them. I have no experience with them and I will not comment on them. Too bad others don't feel the same when they have no experience with the airplane being discussed.
I've had two P337s. I've owned 20 airplanes over about 25 years. I've sold a number of them to people on BT who can speak to the maintenance my airplanes receive. As has been mentioned by people with actual experience in P337s, they are quiet, safe, comfortable, and reasonably efficient airplanes. They are a pressurized twin so they take pressurized twin maintenance and insurance costs. That just makes sense. The air conditioning worked fine in both of mine. I flew them generally in the high teens. At 16,500-17,500 ft, I would typically see 183 KTAS on 23 GPH combined. That's roughly 65% power LOP. Visibility is phenomenal. The air stair door is so very nice, especially for non-pilot passengers.
They aren't a P-Baron. They aren't a 340. They can have five seats but take out that last seat and call it a four-seat airplane. The service ceiling is 20k feet, not the 25k of most other pressurized twins. None are FIKI, although some are booted with a hot windshield.
I have managed many TSIO-360 series engines whether they were in my P337s, my Mooney 231, my Seneca III, or the many other Senecas and Mooneys I have taught in. Treat them right and they are fine engines. Abuse them and pay a bunch of money for top overhauls. I have never replaced so much as a single cylinder in all of the TSIO-360s I have owned. Combined that is many years.
Prices have increased pretty dramatically, it seems higher than the average price increases we've seen in the last couple of years. If I had a need for one today I would have no issues at all buying another one.
_________________ Ken Reed 57AZ
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Post subject: Re: Cessna P337 Posted: 18 Jun 2024, 19:58 |
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Username Protected wrote: Personally, I don't like the way they feel : Something about having to big "gyros", in-line, one in front of you and the other in back, makes it heavy and ponderous, particularly in pitch. It is certainly no Aerostar!
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Post subject: Re: Cessna P337 Posted: 18 Jun 2024, 22:02 |
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In 27 years at Cessna, I nver flew or flew in any kind of 337.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna P337 Posted: 20 Jun 2024, 04:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: Personally, I don't like the way they feel : Something about having to big "gyros", in-line, one in front of you and the other in back, makes it heavy and ponderous, particularly in pitch. Although I have never flown a P337 I flew an O-2A in the military for a short time, I don't recall pitch issues. We horsed them around pretty well including pitching to as high as 20- 30 degrees to loft WP rockets and other times rolling over to a 20-30 degree dive angle also to shoot rockets with a "high" G recovery.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna P337 Posted: 20 Jun 2024, 08:50 |
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Username Protected wrote: Personally, I don't like the way they feel : Something about having to big "gyros", in-line, one in front of you and the other in back, makes it heavy and ponderous, particularly in pitch. If you have some late Cessna 210 time, the Skymaster feels like part of the family. Feels heavy compared to the Bonanza certainly, but that is the trade-off for a plane that really hauls a load.
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Post subject: Re: Cessna P337 Posted: 20 Jun 2024, 09:41 |
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Username Protected wrote: Do the two engines turn opposite directions on a 337? with respect to the engine crankcase, no with respect to the airframe, yes
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