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Post subject: Re: What plane(s) would you like to see built?  Posted: 25 Jul 2023, 09:28 |
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Username Protected wrote: Columbia 400 with a parachute.
If I am dreaming a bit then add pressurization in addition to chute and a Lycoming engine vs Continental. Isn’t an LX7 that and more? Edit: I actually think it has a Continental, but yeah I would prob rather see a lycoming in it.
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Post subject: Re: What plane(s) would you like to see built? Posted: 25 Jul 2023, 10:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: Columbia 400 with a parachute. Why would you want its safety record to get worse? Mike C.
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Post subject: Re: What plane(s) would you like to see built? Posted: 25 Jul 2023, 13:59 |
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Username Protected wrote: A sleek composite twin with a 340 cessna sized cabin, but a GTSIO-520 with fadec and 240ish kts. Also has to have a belted potty...4MM 4M budget? Buy a decent C90 and use the leftover $3M to fly it. It checks all your boxes.
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Post subject: Re: What plane(s) would you like to see built? Posted: 25 Jul 2023, 14:30 |
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Username Protected wrote: Also watching for good series-hybrid applications to emerge over time.
I think a lot of these pure-electric concepts will fizzle, but it would seem that there are opportunities to deliver efficient airplanes with good range and excellent performance and reliability using a series hybrid.
Imagine something with electric motors and batteries capable of 600hp for 30min-1hr across 2 or more propellers. Then add an onboard liquid fueled generator(s) with something like 420hp total.
Take off with 100% power and climb to altitude, then cruise on 45-50% power and recharge the batteries inflight with the excess from the gens to be available as reserve for a go-around/divert/contingency, or for the next flight if not tapped into.
That application would decouple a lot of constraints that dog our present-day direct drive IC engines- vibration dynamics & optimum operating RPM to name a few off the top, and open up some interesting designs. Heavy, heavy, heavy.
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Post subject: Re: What plane(s) would you like to see built? Posted: 25 Jul 2023, 14:37 |
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Username Protected wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLKNPOSpMpY&t=49s
1. Build another Global Explorer. See video above  I'd never seen the Explorer 2 before. That truly is my dream plane. Things I didn't know - the twin was built BEFORE the single! I believe this is the great-grandchild of the Explorer 1. Different designer, same concept. There was a piston version for a while, IIRC, but I can't find it. https://www.exploreraircraft.com/design
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Post subject: Re: What plane(s) would you like to see built? Posted: 25 Jul 2023, 16:12 |
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Username Protected wrote: A sleek composite twin with a 340 cessna sized cabin, but a GTSIO-520 with fadec and 240ish kts. Also has to have a belted potty...4MM 4M budget? Buy a decent C90 and use the leftover $3M to fly it. It checks all your boxes.
I 100% agree with you. But people are buying a new Cirrus every 20 or so hours for 1.2MM when you could buy a cabin class twin cessna for 400-600k and still have 600k left over to operate it for over a decade...people seem to be willing to pay insane money for brand new stuff...
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Post subject: Re: What plane(s) would you like to see built? Posted: 25 Jul 2023, 16:29 |
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This, exactly as she was designed  210kts 4 place running off a 210hp IO360 Be really cool to also have a option for one with some type of military surplus turbine and change from fiberglass to carbon
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Post subject: Re: What plane(s) would you like to see built? Posted: 25 Jul 2023, 19:28 |
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Username Protected wrote: I 100% agree with you. But people are buying a new Cirrus every 20 or so hours for 1.2MM when you could buy a cabin class twin cessna for 400-600k and still have 600k left over to operate it for over a decade...people seem to be willing to pay insane money for brand new stuff... I don't think it is the brand new that is bringing them in. I think it is the modern interface between the pilot and the airframe, which makes flying the plane a lot easier in normal situations, and a lot easier with abnormal and emergency situations. What is easier than Oh crap. Pull CAPS. As well as the reality or perception of increased safety. There is a lot going on in the cockpit of a 40 year old twin Cessna compared to a modern aircraft. Even with an updated panel, there is still a lot going on in a twin Cessna. That is intimidating to a lot of pilots, and frankly in an emergency, takes a lot more pilot to achieve the same results. Cirrus SR22 Attachment: 1.jpg Twin Cessna Attachment: 2.jpg
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Post subject: Re: What plane(s) would you like to see built? Posted: 25 Jul 2023, 19:55 |
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Username Protected wrote: I 100% agree with you. But people are buying a new Cirrus every 20 or so hours for 1.2MM when you could buy a cabin class twin cessna for 400-600k and still have 600k left over to operate it for over a decade...people seem to be willing to pay insane money for brand new stuff... I don't think it is the brand new that is bringing them in. I think it is the modern interface between the pilot and the airframe, which makes flying the plane a lot easier in normal situations, and a lot easier with abnormal and emergency situations. What is easier than Oh crap. Pull CAPS. As well as the reality or perception of increased safety. There is a lot going on in the cockpit of a 40 year old twin Cessna compared to a modern aircraft. Even with an updated panel, there is still a lot going on in a twin Cessna. That is intimidating to a lot of pilots, and frankly in an emergency, takes a lot more pilot to achieve the same results. Cirrus SR22 Attachment: 1.jpg Twin Cessna Attachment: 2.jpg
As far as the interface, instrument wise it’s all the same info to me, personally I’d prefer a yoke or normal stick, never was a big fan of the side stick
For the getting a new one every few years I think it’s also part of the demographic, I’d wager they also get a new car every few years too
Cirrus is a great plane for its mission though, trainer easy to fly, has CAPS for the safety obsession, goes fast enough to travel a good distance in good time, fly FIKI or IMC well, good AP, and has a car like interior with AC and everything else
Demographic wise Cirrus hit a home run
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Post subject: Re: What plane(s) would you like to see built? Posted: 25 Jul 2023, 20:08 |
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Username Protected wrote: What is easier than Oh crap. Pull CAPS. Flying within your abilities. Mike C.
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I would like to see the Beech TravelAir built again.
I got to see the Tiger built again.
It will never happen but those were solid aircraft! One of my old TraveAirs is still flying in NY. It is 63!
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Post subject: Re: What plane(s) would you like to see built? Posted: 26 Jul 2023, 12:54 |
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Username Protected wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLKNPOSpMpY&t=49s
1. Build another Global Explorer. See video above I'd never seen the Explorer 2 before. That truly is my dream plane. Things I didn't know - the twin was built BEFORE the single! I believe this is the great-grandchild of the Explorer 1. Different designer, same concept. There was a piston version for a while, IIRC, but I can't find it. https://www.exploreraircraft.com/design
Weelll some dots just connected here for me, I saw some strange all grey, high wing, turbine when I was out flying about a month ago, 6/24. They were doing t&g's at my home base KELA.
Odd that flight aware doesnt show that flight though, would have been about noonish...
adsb isnt required out here so maybe they just werent squawking...
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