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 Post subject: Re: Cessna 206 -- I want to know
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Sure. It can’t hurt to ask. :shrug:

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Tom, I just met a Fellow this winter, his Name is Mark
He just built a Brand new Hangar.......Stunning :bugeye:

I got to look at his Birds Up close a Month ago or so, and He has a Beautiful 210, a 182 skylane and a 206..............all of them are Pristine and all 1978 Models

Looked over the 206 pretty close, has some nice Garmin stuff, plane is Polished and Clean as a whistle :drool: It's not turboed.

He also owns half a Citation, and just went partners with another fellow on a Carbon Cub :bugeye:

I asked him about the 206, if he'd sell it? He paused and said he might :) Muttered something about Wifey :eek:

I asked him if he new what it was worth, and he said he had turned down over 200K for it :eek:

Checking on the Prices of the Newer ones...............Just Like Bonanzas.............I can see why they hold their Value.

If you'd like Me to I'll ask him again, I know these 206s are considered the workhorse (actually I think will haul a Horse :eek: ) of the Back country :clap:

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One other option, if you like the plane you have.

There are 2 STC options to increase gross on a earlier 182 like yours and mine. One is a set of Wing-X extensions:



Increasing gross decreases performance.

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One other option, if you like the plane you have.

There are 2 STC options to increase gross on a earlier 182 like yours and mine. One is a set of Wing-X extensions:



Increasing gross decreases performance.


Yep. Lighter is better.
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One other option, if you like the plane you have.

There are 2 STC options to increase gross on a earlier 182 like yours and mine. One is a set of Wing-X extensions:



Increasing gross decreases performance.


Scott

Agree as a general proposition. On a 182, when the GW increased in 71 there was no change to the size or shape of the wing really. No change to the available power at all, both 230.

As I understand, the wing extensions add 12.4 sq feet wing area, going from 172 sq ft to 184.4 sq ft of wing area if my 69 POH is accurate, thus decreasing wing loading at the same weights. The additional area also increases drag somewhat. At 2800 with stock wing the loading is 16.1 lbs/sq ft; with extensions at 2950 the loading is 15.9978, call it 16 lbs / sq ft.

I suspect that with a PPonk at the greater 2950 MTOW, Tom's plane would perform about the same as it does now in terms of T/O run - more weight being carried by more wing - and drag at T/O is not that much of a factor. I would also suspect that his cruise - at MTOW - would be slower by a measurable amount - more wing and more weight. Maybe, at the absolute max edge of the margins, that reduction of 0.1 lbs/sq ft of loading would cause a tiny bit longer T/O run - with otherwise perfect operation - over his current condition.

However, reduce the load to 2925 lbs TOW and you lower the loading to 15.86 lbs/sq ft - and thus shorter t/o run than Tom can achieve with perfect operations at 2800 and the smaller wing if the increased drag at T/O is fairly negligible.

If what you want to do is lift more weight w/ the same T/O run - and top speed is less important - I suspect wing extensions are a pretty good ROI. Unless I am all wet about drag from the extra 12.4 sq ft of wing at T/O speeds.

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In west Africa we used a TU206G as our support aircraft for our helicopter fleet. It was a great airplane. Heat was a problem with the Gill 28V battery as they just didn't last. Today there will be a better AGM battery option available and that is something I would go for without a second thought.

One of the most critical considerations with the 206 is the very large, glaring flaw in the aircraft's safety design. The 206 design has killed far too many people, particularly in floatplane operations, because you can't get the rear doors open when the flaps are lowered.

The Transportation Safety Board of Canada has come down hard on this long-standing, well-known safety defect. Transport Canada seems to be taking the TSB's safety recommendation seriously, for a change, after decades of doing nothing.

Cessna knew the design was deficient the moment they introduced those double doors. The FAA knew they were deficient and still certified the airplane for filling all the seats. Transport Canada accepted the FAA certification without turning their brain on or asking any questions. All three of these parties bear some culpability in all the drowning deaths that have resulted from those rear doors not opening. It's a stupid design that could be easily and cheaply solved, but nobody will do it. All it would take would be a hinge line in the door to allow it to fold down as it passes the extended flap. A high school shop student could design it, but nobody in officialdom will even try because it will cost money and will ultimately mean they accept the original design as being just plain wrong. This might cost a lot of money in lawsuits, so instead of fixing it, we kill more people.

I know this sounds like a rant against the airplane. It's more of a rant against the designers and the regulatory agencies that approved the design.

The 206 is a great airplane in just about every other respect. It hauls the goods in and out of tight spots. The turbo gives terrific hot/high performance (I tested that regularly in Africa). The airframe is tough and not terribly difficult to maintain. The airplane flies relatively well for a flying pickup truck. All this is good. It's just those darned doors. If you're thinking of putting it on floats, think twice about filling the seats in a 206.

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https://www.tsb.gc.ca/eng/enquetes-inve ... w0129.html


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Major Chnages for the TU206
1966: gross increased from 3300 to 3600.
1968: larger horizontal stab.
1975: R lower cowl access panel. Seems like nothing, but when I told my mechanic I bought a T206 he was happy it had this access panel. Easier access to the turbo.
1977: HP increase. 285 to 310 (available of 5 minutes)
1978: Introduced 24 volt electrics. Last year of fuel bladders (76 useable fuel).
1979: Wet wing fuel tanks 88 gal useable.
1986: last year of G model and Continental 520. Cessna took a hiatus from the 206 for 12 years.
1998: restarted the 206 line. Lycoming 540 powered. Smooth, nice AC, but about 150# heavier than previous G model (still with 3600# GW). Heavy weight and seat design is a disadvantage to utility. No individual 3rd row seats and they are a pain to remove vs the older style rail system.

77-79 looks like good years


Ours was an '84, & at first glance it had all the advantages of your list (above) without the UL decrease of 1998. Just curious, do you know of some negatives from '79 to '86?

Gary S.


The negative to the 79 to 86 would be that they are quite a bit heavier than earlier models, and certainly slower than the early ones.

They are quite a bit lighter than the 1998+ models, in part due to the Lycoming engine on 1998-> models that is 80+ lbs heavier.

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I was in a partnership in a 1971 TU206E for about 6 years.
It could carry a lot of stuff and was stone simple to maintain (even the turbo) and fly.

But man, she was slow. 128ktas on 17.5 gph. when heavy. Somewhere along the line they changed the wing, 1977? I think they are a little faster.

Great plane for its intended purpose. Wife said to get something faster, so I did.


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Reading the mission on page one of this thread, how well would a Twin Bonanza fit the mission? Rugged, roomy, airstair door, and cheaper than a 206. Oh, and it’s a Beech. I believe there’s a supercharged model with both airstair and over wing door for sale on the forum right now.

Just sayin’

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Reading the mission on page one of this thread, how well would a Twin Bonanza fit the mission? Rugged, roomy, airstair door, and cheaper than a 206. Oh, and it’s a Beech. I believe there’s a supercharged model with both airstair and over wing door for sale on the forum right now.

Just sayin’

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I loved my Twin Bonanza. Great on grass strips. But, that 47-foot wingspan sure won't fit in my hangar these days.

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The only thing I noticed about the 206 I looked at was that deployed flaps would restrict the rear door from opening. So in the unlikely event of an emergency, my family might have trouble un-assing the rear seats if I was able to have a somewhat normal landing with flaps down. Also, the middle seats being forward facing made egress less ideal. :shrug:

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The only thing I noticed about the 206 I looked at was that deployed flaps would restrict the rear door from opening. So in the unlikely event of an emergency, my family might have trouble un-assing the rear seats if I was able to have a somewhat normal landing with flaps down. Also, the middle seats being forward facing made egress less ideal. :shrug:


Another feature of that door / flap interface is that if the door isn't closed such that the switch is depressed, the flaps are locked out.


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Can you put a chute on the 206?

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Can you put a chute on the 206?


Don’t know. I looked at putting a chute in a 182.

80 pounds! That’s a nonstarter.

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