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Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu  Posted: 08 Jul 2020, 18:32 |
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Username Protected wrote: I have a hangar big enough for one now to! Me too. That concerns me. Vulnerable to upgrade-itis. Doesn't the pilot seat sit too upright or somehow suck? Give me something bad.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu Posted: 08 Jul 2020, 20:02 |
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Username Protected wrote: Misc question: How many hours at altitude does the O2 tank last? The Malibu is pressurized.
So no O2 tank? Im learning here. Thank you.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu Posted: 08 Jul 2020, 20:52 |
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Username Protected wrote: I have a hangar big enough for one now to! Me too. That concerns me. Vulnerable to upgrade-itis. Doesn't the pilot seat sit too upright or somehow suck? Give me something bad.
My Malibu seat does not recline. Later models do and there is a mod for the seat to make it recline. It was odd at first, but it doesn’t bother me now. I fly five hour legs all the time with no comfort issues.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu Posted: 09 Jul 2020, 01:11 |
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Username Protected wrote: I too was trying to sign up for free membership and they wanted $275 as well. Sorry guys, it appears the free Trial Membership is no longer offered. I will attest that the membership fee easily pays for itself in all the benefits it provides. I understand one would not want to pay the full membership fee unless they had committed to the purchase of one of these aircraft, but it will certainly go a long way to educating you about these planes and motivating you to own one. That’s what happened to me - I joined when I wanted to learn about them, and then one of the members kindly offered to sell me his plane. Best $275 I ever spent !
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Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu Posted: 09 Jul 2020, 09:10 |
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Username Protected wrote:
The Malibu is pressurized.
So no O2 tank? Im learning here. Thank you.
Yes there is. Think about what happens if the pressurization system alone or complete engine fails at 28000 feet? TOC is 2.5 - 3 minutes. How long to emergency descend to 12,500?
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Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu Posted: 09 Jul 2020, 11:40 |
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Username Protected wrote: Somebody please lock this thread. ??
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Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu Posted: 09 Jul 2020, 12:34 |
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Username Protected wrote: Somebody please lock this thread.  .. Come on in the water is fine !
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Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu Posted: 09 Jul 2020, 13:59 |
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Username Protected wrote: Power to idle, roll, nose through horizon , spoilers and gear out and you are dropping at over 4K per min.
Old piston planes had o2 generators under seat. I put a little Aerox bottle with flip switch under the seat. Less than 5s to done mask and switch on. Great little system. Did you replace the O2 generators or just supplement them? Quick donning mask or conventional? Asking because I looked the idea. Also, is there anything for passengers too?
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Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu Posted: 09 Jul 2020, 14:03 |
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Username Protected wrote: Power to idle, roll, nose through horizon , spoilers and gear out and you are dropping at over 4K per min.
Old piston planes had o2 generators under seat. I put a little Aerox bottle with flip switch under the seat. Less than 5s to done mask and switch on. Great little system. Yup. 4 minutes. All assuming you weren’t too hypoxic (slow loss or other malfunction) too recognize and react properly. All this for the benefit of someone trying to learn about high altitude flying.
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Post subject: Re: Piper Matrix, Mirage, and Malibu Posted: 09 Jul 2020, 17:30 |
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Username Protected wrote: Power to idle, roll, nose through horizon , spoilers and gear out and you are dropping at over 4K per min.
Old piston planes had o2 generators under seat. I put a little Aerox bottle with flip switch under the seat. Less than 5s to done mask and switch on. Great little system. Yup. 4 minutes. All assuming you weren’t too hypoxic (slow loss or other malfunction) too recognize and react properly. All this for the benefit of someone trying to learn about high altitude flying.
4,000'/mimute sounds good till you're entering CB's making that descent and need to slow to keep the wings on the fuselage or your wife to still fly with you later. If you're doing that after a window has blown out or leaks causing decompression might hurt some important ears. Guess I'm just saying it isn't always peaches and cream in the FL's and the emergency O2 is important to have but the poster that I think started these explanations didn't seem to understand that while these planes are pressurized they still have O2 for that odd emergency. Not for sucking on regularly like in a non pressurized.
If Anthony likes the 4k descent he'd love the TBM descent with brown filling the VFR windscreen and you feel like you're nose is past horizontal... 
Of course the TBM in cruise is ~202KIAS and can descend in smooth air at 278KIAS or a little less for safety. Keep the power in for a while going down and never idle but we fly a tank... 
O2 is also good at night the last hour of a long trip too for eye acuity. That holds for the TD's and the FL's. I must be getting old, yep...
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