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 Post subject: Re: Damnit. Just when I bought my last airplane...
PostPosted: 22 Feb 2017, 11:02 
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That said, after a year of flying the Solitaire, I think that number would not have been as great because of the Merlin's greater ability to tanker fuel.

That advantage is not as great as you might think.

One, FBOs charge ramp fees for turbine airplanes if you don't take fuel, so you are almost always taking fuel. I haven't paid a ramp fee in years, and I almost always take fuel at every FBO I visit.

Two, the Merlin with full fuel has essentially no cabin payload left, so you have to be flying with pretty light loads.

Three, the performance of the Merlin at high weights is significantly affected. You are trading safety for a few dollars, and it climbs and flies slower at higher weights negating some of the advantage.

Four, jet fuel prices are generally more uniform and competitive place to place than avgas. Even at $1/gal better in one place, you are looking at saving, what, $250?

Five, high landing weights cost more in maintenance over time, tires in particular.

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IIRC the Mitts had much better high/hot runway performance too, which, being based out West, was a big consideration for me.

The engine on the Merlin is being asked to provide 900 HP instead of 715 HP on the Marquise, so it reaches its temp limited altitude MUCH sooner. Get into high and hot, the plane is losing power when the MU2 is not.

The Merlin is basically under powered. They are pushing what you can get from the small block TPE331. Hence the AWI feature.

When the FAA did a safety review of the MU2 in 2005, which ultimately ended up being the foundation for the SFAR, they studied how the MU2 compared to other aircraft in 135 ops. A few aircraft were worse than the MU2 and the Merlin was one of them.

Page 11 and 12:

https://www.faa.gov/aircraft/air_cert/d ... errata.pdf

I don't think these numbers are very reliable, however, but I don't have a better source.

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 Post subject: Re: Damnit. Just when I bought my last airplane...
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I make a point of providing my Sherpas supplemental O2 when they take my bags up into the cabin of the Merlin.

Do you make a point of paying the FBO extra for fueling your MU2 as it requires three two hose trucks and 6 linemen plus a supervisor if you want to fill each cap simultaneously. The Merlin has as simple a fuel system and fueling procedure as you can get after single point refuelling.


I'd like to see the list of accidents that shows more hull losses and fatalities in the Merlin when compared to the MU2. I find plenty of ground control accidents but much less fatal crashes and bull losses.


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 Post subject: Re: Damnit. Just when I bought my last airplane...
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Do you make a point of paying the FBO extra for fueling your MU2 as it requires three two hose trucks and 6 linemen plus a supervisor if you want to fill each cap simultaneously.

Fortunately, no.

Having only two holes would be nice, but it really doesn't affect me much. Note that a good fraction of my fuelings only involve tip tanks, two holes, so not always so bad.

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The Merlin has as simple a fuel system and fueling procedure as you can get after single point refuelling.

Yeah, but it is a "low wing" airplane which requires a ladder. :-)

Conquest II wins the "easy to fuel" contest. No ladder, two holes, no balance requirements, done.

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I'd like to see the list of accidents that shows more hull losses and fatalities in the Merlin when compared to the MU2.

The FAA didn't give us the raw data behind the chart.

I concur with your feeling the chart is suspicious, or at least, wildly skewed by unstated assumptions.

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 Post subject: Re: Damnit. Just when I bought my last airplane...
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Sorry my post was not clear. I was there for a compressor wash on my Conquest I but we were chatting about the Merlin on their ramp. They had just repaired the brake system after an incident where the power brake on one side locked up.

http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2016/10/17/ ... ff-runway/

The only place that could overhaul the brake component was in Australia or something like that and it was a huge job to R&R. Don't flame me for reporting this! I know every airplane has parts troubles and like almost everyone I own an out of production airplane that sometimes has parts difficulties. I would not let it stop me from buying a Merlin if that's what I wanted. You get huge capability for the money and keeping it flying is kind of a labor of love anyway. I'm just saying it might be useful to call Jamal and gather whatever info you can to be more educated.


My mechanic has a high use Merlin operator as a client who had one side brakes freeze up while parking in the northern states. The pilot took off with the brake on and landed that way but managed to maintain control. What you describe as a massive undertaking and unobtanium parts my mechanic gathered and loaded up the parts in a few days and airlined out to change everything in the field. Guy was up in the air quick with relatively little downtime. Beware of using the parking brake in freezing temps as the brakes can be frozen and not release. Beware of using a mechanic that looks for parts in Australia that are meant to fit a plane built in San Antonio. :D <couldn't resist, your guy may be fine, I don't know him>


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He's not my guy - I just used them for a compressor wash because they are close but Mather is a big operation (3 locations) that works on turbines of all sorts every day. I am certain they are aware that there is Merlin support in San Antonio. There is probably more to the story which is why I suggested to the OP that he call and gather more information. This was not a simple case of a brake freezing in cold weather. The Merlin uses power assisted brakes and there is some kind of valve system under the panel down by the pedals that controls the pressure to the brakes. This malfunctioned in some way and pressurized the brakes and locked them which caused the plane to head off into the weeds on landing. Apparently it was difficult to find someone to overhaul the brake controller and really difficult to R&R. Who knows, maybe Mather has no idea what they are doing. Or maybe they do. Either way if I were considering buying one I would want to evaluate that for myself and use the information as part of the criteria for a pre buy, evaluating the MX history, etc.

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The Merlin has as simple a fuel system and fueling procedure as you can get after single point refuelling.

Yeah, but it is a "low wing" airplane which requires a ladder. :-)


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Yeah, but since I need the Sherpas anyway.... :D

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Conquest II wins the "easy to fuel" contest. No ladder, two holes, no balance requirements, done.


Commanders one hole, but you do need a ladder. But in my experience, pulling the fuel hose out to accommodate multiple filling holes takes much longer than bringing a ladder out. :box:

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Do you make a point of paying the FBO extra for fueling your MU2 as it requires three two hose trucks and 6 linemen plus a supervisor if you want to fill each cap simultaneously. The Merlin has as simple a fuel system and fueling procedure as you can get after single point refuelling.


Not directly related to the thread, but here is a time-lapse I took of the beast getting topped off at KIXD a few weeks ago. The line guys earn their keep topping off Mu2s. Watch as the one guy fills the tip before the other and you can see the plane tip a bit.

While it takes a few extra minutes at times, one positive is that I leave every FBO feeling like I got my moneys worth....

http://flyinglog.tumblr.com/post/156816 ... ay-the-mu2


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He's not my guy - I just used them for a compressor wash because they are close but Mather is a big operation (3 locations) that works on turbines of all sorts every day. I am certain they are aware that there is Merlin support in San Antonio. There is probably more to the story which is why I suggested to the OP that he call and gather more information. This was not a simple case of a brake freezing in cold weather. The Merlin uses power assisted brakes and there is some kind of valve system under the panel down by the pedals that controls the pressure to the brakes. This malfunctioned in some way and pressurized the brakes and locked them which caused the plane to head off into the weeds on landing. Apparently it was difficult to find someone to overhaul the brake controller and really difficult to R&R. Who knows, maybe Mather has no idea what they are doing. Or maybe they do. Either way if I were considering buying one I would want to evaluate that for myself and use the information as part of the criteria for a pre buy, evaluating the MX history, etc.


To anyone who is interested about this issue.

The only power that the brake system gets is from pilot pressure on the pedals, no power assist after that.

There are parking brake valves and shuttle valves. Shuttle valves allow pressure to come from either left or right seated pilot into the brake line. The parking brake valve puts a lock on the brake system when you depress the brakes and pull the parking brake lever. The parking brake valve is not the best design and apparantly there is an old AD by which it gets changed out at some time with a new style. The new style is a bit better. The problem with the parking brake valves is that they do not always release, this problem is more likely to occur in cold weather.

The valves are readily available and indeed a chore to remove/replace. Estimate two days one guy, they are on the forward pressure bulkhead and radios and racks have to come out to get at them.

This is the info I got from my mechanic. Personally, never had a brake problem of any kind. His free advice, use wheel chocks and leave the parking brake alone.


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I just saw an ad for a Merlin IIIC claiming power brakes with anti skid. Maybe an option or STC mod?

http://www.wolfeaviation.com/aircraft_f ... A227TT.pdf

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Commanders one hole

One per wing, total of two?

Or do you really mean just one hole, single point?

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Commanders one hole

One per wing, total of two?

Or do you really mean just one hole, single point?

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Just a single one for all, they're all interconnected. Slight caveat, if you have the optional aux tanks, then they do the have separate fillers for those.
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I just saw an ad for a Merlin IIIC claiming power brakes with anti skid. Maybe an option or STC mod?

http://www.wolfeaviation.com/aircraft_f ... A227TT.pdf


Most have had the anti skid disconnected. The brakes are not all to powerfull anyway and one relies much more on reverse thrust or ground idle to slow down. Brakes are for not running over the marshall.

Found the "power brake anti skid" system description in the mx manual. Indeed there was a "power brake" system option in these aircraft. As I said, most I have come across are disconnected, including mine.


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The line guys earn their keep topping off Mu2s. Watch as the one guy fills the tip before the other and you can see the plane tip a bit.


In real world operations, do most FBOs know how to fuel an MU2, or do you need to be there to supervise?

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In real world operations, do most FBOs know how to fuel an MU2, or do you need to be there to supervise?

It's definitely a problem area. Some places are fine. Others... not so much. You can usually tell via a very quick quiz of the line guys whether they really have done it before or not.

I do find ground handling on the MU2 has two weaknesses:
- Fueling, which requires ladders and multiple tank balancing
- Towing, which requires a wide towbar (dual nose wheel), doesn't work with a typical Lektro, and knowledge that the torque link needs to be disconnected

Neither is insurmountable, but both have their inconveniences.

But... for the inconvenience you get a fast, comfortable, and relatively inexpensive ride! :peace:

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